high nitrates - always!!! PLEASE HELP

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I am curious why not a larger than 50% water change. lets say your nitrate readings 100ppm, if you change 50% of the water, that brings you to 50ppm, not low enough, if you change 90% ( about fin level) that would bring your nitrate to 10ppm. that is a safe level for your fish.

From my experience water changes are the best way to remove high nitrates yet it doesn't linearly cut down as you stated. The source of the nitrate is what holds the nitrate not necessarily the water as in the filter media or trapped gunk in the gravel. From a 50% water change I notice around a 25-30% drop in nitrates. So from my experience if you have 100 ppm nitrate and do a 50% water change you will still have around 70ppm of nitrate.

Op, I really do think its your feeding, as others has stated switch to a quality pellet and keep up with the water changes and you'll surely keep those nitrates down!
 
i was always under the impression that 50 %was max recommended

I do 90% water changes on occasions! :) Never lost a fish. I do make sure I do add around 20% back from 5 gallon buckets to keep the desired temp and then just hook the hose up to the fascist and test to see if the temps match up by hand and let it fill so even if the temp doesnt match perfectly its only off by a couple degrees worst case scenario.
 
I found this on seachem's website:

Purigen® is a premium synthetic adsorbent that is unlike any other filtration product. It is not a mixture of ion exchangers or adsorbents, but a unique macro-porous synthetic polymer that removes soluble and insoluble impurities from water at a rate and capacity that exceeds all others by over 500%. Purigen® controls ammonia, nitrites and nitrates by removing nitrogenous organic waste that would otherwise release these harmful compounds. Purigen’s™ impact on trace elements is minimal. It significantly raises redox. It polishes water to unparalleled clarity. Purigen® darkens progressively as it exhausts, and is easily renewed by treating with bleach. Purigen® is designed for both marine and freshwater use.

Where did you paraphrase that it doesn't remove nitrate and only removes it indirectly by removing ammonia and nitrite? I imagine in their forums and Q&A. I'm confused because for me, it clearly illustrated a distinct ability to remove nitrate not just ammonia and nitrite.
 
In your post they state that it removes organics that decay into nitrogenous waste, not nitrate. However, I was incorrect in stating that it removes ammonia and nitrite. And you guessed right, it was in Q & A. But it was just the first link when I googled "does purigen remove nitrate"?

This is directly from SeaChem:

"Hello,

As you said, Purigen will remove the organics before they are converted into the toxic nitrogenous components.
.It is a specific scavenging resin that will target the organics that your fish produce, however it is impossible to measure how much waste is in the tank and how much it removes; it depends on your bioload, size, water parameters, etc. Purigen works extremely efficiently and should remove all the organics that it comes in contact with; it will continue to remove these organics until it is exhausted (noted by a dark brown color).

There are no products on the market that directly removes nitrate (or nitrite and ammonia). Purigen will prevent your nitrate levels from increasing any higher than they were before placing it in your tank (i.e. if your nitrates were at 10 ppm before you placed Purigen in the tank, once you place it in your tank it will not exceed 10 ppm from there on out). Prime binds to the nitrates and renders them nontoxic to your fish while allowing your bacteria to consume them. Prime can safely be used in a double dose every 2 days to help with nitrates (the 5x dose is recommended for nitrites, not nitrates), and again, the amount it helps remove will be dependent on your biological filter. Your test may still register as having nitrates present, but that is because there is no test that can distinguish between free (toxic) and bound (non-toxic) nitrate.

The only way you will remove nitrates in your aquarium is through your bacterial filter and/or water changes.

Our products Stability and Matrix are suggested to be used in conjunction to help attack the nitrogenous waste problems aquarium owners encounter. Stability is a unique blend of bacterial supplements designed to add both the aerobic and anaerobic bacteria directly into your tank. Matrix affords the bacteria the chance to grow in both an aerobic and anaerobic environment while maintaining water flow. Adequate water flow can be a problem when only using a deep sand bed.

Thanks again for your post and have a great day!"

So perhaps your nitrate reduction was due to a population of denitrifying bacteria. They live in almost every system to some degree.
 
Although I always thought zeolite adsorbed ammonia so I'm not sure how he would categorize that
 
Awesome, thank you for posting that!

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