High price for azuls and kelberi

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this kind of thread will always draw me in, here is my response:

the market is dictated by the people who are willing to spend. How come people don't complain about diamonds costing so much when the people harvesting them out of rocks and dirt get paid next to nothing but risk getting killed by the middleman?

If all the peacock bass like kelberi and azul were $5.00 each, the demand would no longer be there, relatively speaking, azul, and kelberi are rare in the hobby, compared to lets say oscars? you cannot say that oscars are not good looking right? how come they're so cheap, because they have been in the hobby for over 100 years, literally, and been bred up and down, left and right already. How many pairs of kelberi and azuls do you know of are breeding?

It doesn't matter how much the fish costs at its origin, I had just mentioned the other day, all fish are practically free, or food for people, birds and other fish, nothing makes anything worth money until someone gives it a value. However people neglect to realize what it takes, and what it took the first few to get these fish, risking money, time, and even lives to find, obtain and share with the hobby.

I cannot say how many shipments of 6-12000 dollar shipments I've had where half of the fish I import are either not sellable, die upon arrival, I not only lose on the fish, but also time, labor, and shipping costs. How many of you hobbyists are willing to take these risks? So once all said and done is it unreasonable for then the person to dictate the price? and stores, they have overheads, rent, employees, food, electricity, equipments.

I'm so tired of all these hobbyists at the beginning, always asking for fish like they come off a shelf at the grocery store, and when I make the effort to get them, they all fizzle away. Wake up people. and the phrase by JLnguyen "you go where the wind blows" is just common sense., and describes a lot with a few words, most people drift with the current aimlessly. The end
 
there are always a few people who come and try to sell fish cheap or cheaper, thinking that they're the robinhood, but where are they now? It doesn't work, they may get lucky once, or twice, then when the dead shipments come in, fish sit in their hands, they end up losing much more, since they have nothing to fall back on. Over the years I've seen so many come and go, where are they now?

and honestly do you want to see me bring in fogo peacock bass and sell them for $10.00 each? I'm sure they're worth less than a penny each in Brazil if they're caught. I'm sure the market would flood, and people would soon find it undesirable to have.
 
does a rolex tell time any better than a timex? probably not...

is a diamond on the finger much more attractive than a sworaski crystal?

I do know that when you can't get the grape its probably sour
 
there are always a few people who come and try to sell fish cheap or cheaper, thinking that they're the robinhood, but where are they now? It doesn't work, they may get lucky once, or twice, then when the dead shipments come in, fish sit in their hands, they end up losing much more, since they have nothing to fall back on. Over the years I've seen so many come and go, where are they now?

and honestly do you want to see me bring in fogo peacock bass and sell them for $10.00 each? I'm sure they're worth less than a penny each in Brazil if they're caught. I'm sure the market would flood, and people would soon find it undesirable to have.

Sooooooooooo when do we get fogo? lmao
 
does a rolex tell time any better than a timex? probably not...

is a diamond on the finger much more attractive than a sworaski crystal?

I do know that when you can't get the grape its probably sour
Wisdom words, Wes!!
 
there are always a few people who come and try to sell fish cheap or cheaper, thinking that they're the robinhood, but where are they now? It doesn't work, they may get lucky once, or twice, then when the dead shipments come in, fish sit in their hands, they end up losing much more, since they have nothing to fall back on. Over the years I've seen so many come and go, where are they now?

and honestly do you want to see me bring in fogo peacock bass and sell them for $10.00 each? I'm sure they're worth less than a penny each in Brazil if they're caught. I'm sure the market would flood, and people would soon find it undesirable to have.

I want to be robinhood! Jk

That was a rant!

All jokes aside, Bring me some wild kelberis and I'll pay you what your looking for. I've had enough of captive breeds.

It's nice to see you posting in our neck of the forum Wes.. Althoughhhh I'd rather hear about your awesome knowledge on the actual fish then to hear you complaining .. jk ;)
 
Ask and answer then...

....and I still don't have to as the analogy or example you brought up has nothing t do with buying fish so enough of all of that....The subject of the prices of captive bred fish being sold for the price of what a wild caught fish would is interesting though but not much has been said about that here.
 
I did breed f1s no one bought them. when I sold the breeding pair he wanted a deal on those. So we the hobbiest are the problem we don't take care of eachother so why would the seller or the importer do something that we don't do for ourseleves.

To answer the OP question $200.00 is the average price for all of W/C collection and I think that was very fair.

Les be serious here 5 years ago it was $1200.00 for a Kelberi and I was told we would never get Azul or Orino.

And all that Gogol talk is another markiting tool to keep you all on the hook. IT MAY HAPPEN ONE DAY BUT by then you will have spent all your money on ugly bahias. lol.
 
HA HA...ugly Bahia.What did you have f1s of? I don't recall hearing about them or I might have been interested.Gogol,what's that?
 
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