I believe that to date 5 or 6 strains have been identified. Here is an interesting read authored by some of the worlds leading authorities on this subject. https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/1297-9716-44-27.pdf
HITH? Duck lips? ?
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I believe that to date 5 or 6 strains have been identified. Here is an interesting read authored by some of the worlds leading authorities on this subject. https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1186/1297-9716-44-27.pdf
Thanks everyone. I’m gonna try and get my hands on some different meds to help this poor guy. I really hope he pulls through...
Are you guys thinking it is duck lips then? Or are any other things you think it might be?
It looks like all around his mouth is rotting or something... ?
Are you guys thinking it is duck lips then? Or are any other things you think it might be?
It looks like all around his mouth is rotting or something... ?
I've never used it or had a fish with this condition but there's an interesting youtube video about it that has good info. One of meds the guy highly recommends is Zedrix Sword. Not sure if you can get it in Canada but I believe it's available on Amazon.
Also not sure if that is effective for all strains of Duck Lips, in fact like Fat Homer I didn't even know there were multiple strains -- but there goes that RD guy being gregarious again
Good luck, hope your fish recovers; if it is Duck Lips you'll need to act pretty fast.
Also not sure if that is effective for all strains of Duck Lips, in fact like Fat Homer I didn't even know there were multiple strains -- but there goes that RD guy being gregarious again
Good luck, hope your fish recovers; if it is Duck Lips you'll need to act pretty fast.
Antibiotics without a script from a vet is pretty much a no go in Canada now.
Oops, forgot about that, OP plz discard my advice, hope you can get some other good fix.
OK, with no meds, I'd do brackish salt dips with tannic acid. Betta tea or Black Water concentrate is the thing, and make it strong.
I did not cure columnaris until doing heavy, repeated, sea salt/tannin treatments. I used instant Ocean, bogwood and Kent's Black Water Expert. Frankly, commercial meds worked, but the tank wasn't "cured".
I treated the entire tank too which prevented recurrence.
I flushed the tank with aerated seasalt and tannin water, repeatedly, over the course of a day. Each treatment was weaker than the previous, and the last was 90% a freshwater change. I have seen no sign since. Eventually all those fish ended up in the patio tank and still doing OK. I kept the bogwood and still use a dash of BWE.
I lost 80% of my tetras to columnaris trying commercial meds.
I did not cure columnaris until doing heavy, repeated, sea salt/tannin treatments. I used instant Ocean, bogwood and Kent's Black Water Expert. Frankly, commercial meds worked, but the tank wasn't "cured".
I treated the entire tank too which prevented recurrence.
I flushed the tank with aerated seasalt and tannin water, repeatedly, over the course of a day. Each treatment was weaker than the previous, and the last was 90% a freshwater change. I have seen no sign since. Eventually all those fish ended up in the patio tank and still doing OK. I kept the bogwood and still use a dash of BWE.
I lost 80% of my tetras to columnaris trying commercial meds.
Lookslike columnaris (duck lips) to me.
If it were my tank, I'd euthanize all the fish, sanitize everything that touched the water and start over.
The bacteria that causes columnaris can sit dormant in dry mud film, and unless totally eradicated can return, even if the tank has sat dry for months, and keep coming back..
If it were my tank, I'd euthanize all the fish, sanitize everything that touched the water and start over.
The bacteria that causes columnaris can sit dormant in dry mud film, and unless totally eradicated can return, even if the tank has sat dry for months, and keep coming back..
I probably had a different strain then. It presented as "saddleback" disease. Every fish which contracted it perished eventually, though seeming to recover a while.
The 9 survivors from that tank have shown no signs, nor their new tankmates. All the equipment from that system is retired, but not the biomedia. It went right into the patio tank sump.
I struggled with this for 5 or 6 mos, but I had considered that tank cured almost a year before I re-homed everyone.
The 9 survivors from that tank have shown no signs, nor their new tankmates. All the equipment from that system is retired, but not the biomedia. It went right into the patio tank sump.
I struggled with this for 5 or 6 mos, but I had considered that tank cured almost a year before I re-homed everyone.
It seems the disease manifests as different forms according to conditions. In cooler water white tufts (columns) and/or saddleback lesions appear. In warmer water (temps above 82'F) the atrophied jaw is common, but these are not mutually exclusive.
My 1st experience came in a trade, where I got 3 beani. When they arrived they were put in quarantine.
Symptoms in the first to go, was intensifying color, hovering in one spot, and inability to eat.
It quickly died, and a summer heat wave hit, bringing tank water temps up into the mid 80sF.
The next to succumb showed classic jaw atrophy symptoms, along with the intense colors, hovering and inability to eat.
Luckily my normal quarantine duration for new fish is 2-3 months, it took that long for all 3 fish to become symptomatic. None ever left quarantine.
After death the tank and all equipment used in or around it was bleached.
The bacteria is gram negative to best treatment would be an antibiotic specifically effective against gram- bacteria.
My 1st experience came in a trade, where I got 3 beani. When they arrived they were put in quarantine.
Symptoms in the first to go, was intensifying color, hovering in one spot, and inability to eat.
It quickly died, and a summer heat wave hit, bringing tank water temps up into the mid 80sF.
The next to succumb showed classic jaw atrophy symptoms, along with the intense colors, hovering and inability to eat.
Luckily my normal quarantine duration for new fish is 2-3 months, it took that long for all 3 fish to become symptomatic. None ever left quarantine.
After death the tank and all equipment used in or around it was bleached.
The bacteria is gram negative to best treatment would be an antibiotic specifically effective against gram- bacteria.
