HITH lATERAL LINE DISEASE IN CICHLA

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Jack Dempsey
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OK GUYS lets talk about it seriously and try and fix it!!!My fish are pretty large i have 4 diff species in 1 tank and i had never experienced this until My Beautiful Occell started with it sometime last year the other fish including a wild peru Oscar don't have a trace and yet she persists with it I took a few pics lets see where this goes LOL!!!!By the way all eat pellet and tilapia .....

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Could it be sp. related?
All my brokos in the same tank developed HITH at 6" so I blamed it on filtration. I had a sump and had difficulty with water changes. At the time, I fed frozen and now feed strictly pellets. Could it be that ocells are more sensitive to water quality? Or maybe diet related?
Like to hear what others have to say.
 
Im game.....ken and Hulon run the most insane filters that I know of, yet I run filters far less then the two..... yet I have never had HITH in my bass that where 15"-20" long?.?.?....

I'll wait this out intill the keepers of 18"-36" bass keepers chime in.


I'll just add that wild bass are far more sensitive to water changes to that of bass that are wild. :D

Key is " what is the feeding schedule" of the bass that got HITH?
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Only had HITH in one bass and I was using carbon... I haven't used carbon in years and only do water changes and nothing has gotten it again. I've had many bass since which never got it.. Lucky maybe or something with carborn irrates them bastards causing them to go crazy eating away the fish. I think carbon does something to the water causing a reaction in them.


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As someone who doesn't keep bass but keeps lots of Geos (Satanaperca) and other HITH-prone fish, my experience is that stress, water quality, water characteristics and species propensity are the most significant factors.

Filtration and water quality are, of course, quite different. I've seen lots of heavily-filtered tanks with poor water quality from inadequate water changes, failure to clean canister filters regularly, dirty sumps, etc. Less waste = less nitrates = better water quality.

I don't think water quality alone is the answer, though. Especially for fish from blackwater, I think that water characteristics that mimic their natural environment matter. Driftwood, peat, etc. produce natural turpines and other chemicals that some fish need. I've actually depleted these in tanks by doing too many water changes. And the fish suffered.

Living in captivity - no matter how big the tank - can be stressful, especially for wild fish. Some species get stressed out in community settings or as a result of crowding. In my experience, this results in HITH.

Some species - especially those from blackwater conditions - are especially susceptible to HITH. They just are. When I keep these species, I know that I need to be on the top of my game with regard to the issues above - can't miss water changes, need to use peat and almond leaves in the tank, clean the filters, etc.

The article linked above lists red wiggler worms as a great source of nutrition and minerals. I've cultured them for years and they seem like an ideal food for bass. They are for other cichlids.

Good thread!

Matt
 
Thanks for replys for sure !!! Hopefully tonight we can get some more thoughts from more Keepers!!!
 
I like dog's answer. Personally I believe water quality and nutrition are the important factors. Sadly I neglected one of my tanks for some time and water quality suffered. My prized O developed early stages HITH so I stepped up water changes. The disease slowed its progression. After a few weeks of no change, I varied the diet greatly, smaller portions, 2 new pellets and various live insects and frozen foods. After stepping up water quality and adding a better diet, the HITH healed and you would never know he was sick in the first place.

At the very least, better water quality and nutrition will always help a sick fish
 
I clean my Fx5's only once a year for my big bass. I have a Fx5 I haven't cleaned in two years or more on another tank and still no HITH ... I bet my water changes helps with that situation.


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Yes - water changes and other nitrate-dilluting/removing approaches (like plants) will counteract the additional nitrate produced by a dirty filter.

I'm not a fan of canister filters because they're a PITA to clean...and people tend to take an out of sight, out of mind approach with them. If all of the shirt that accumulated in an FX5 on a tank full of bass over a year was in a filter sock on a sump...or on the bottom of your tank, would you clean it more often?

Matt

I clean my Fx5's only once a year for my big bass. I have a Fx5 I haven't cleaned in two years or more on another tank and still no HITH ... I bet my water changes helps with that situation.


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