HITH lATERAL LINE DISEASE IN CICHLA

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Hulon man, I just dont know. Im pretty lost about HITH.

I do think it may be nutrition, but just said I dont think its because of Shrimps.

As I said, I really dont know also if its about black water. As I said, Ive seen Tilapia Oreochromis niloticus with this.

Never heard about it in non cichlid fishes tbh, heard about it on geophagus, and cichla, but just saw this with my own eyes on Tilapias. Some friends of mine never heard about it since they dont culture cichlids.

I think this is the reason you guys are linking this to blackwater.
 
It's also worth noting, since lucas touched on the Geo hith topic, that Geos will get hith if fed too much protein (meaty pellets). I've experienced this before with my geos when I was feeding exclusively feeding sinking carnivore pellets. I switched to nls and algae wafers and the problem cleared itself.
 
strollo22 said:
It's also worth noting, since lucas touched on the Geo hith topic, that Geos will get hith if fed too much protein (meaty pellets). I've experienced this before with my geos when I was feeding exclusively feeding sinking carnivore pellets. I switched to nls and algae wafers and the problem cleared itself.
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You might have a valid point here Strollo it sure makes ya think!!!!
 
have you tried metro+ soaked in pellets/ there food...unless its completely different from cichlids even though cichla are???
 
strollo22 said:
It's also worth noting, since lucas touched on the Geo hith topic, that Geos will get hith if fed too much protein (meaty pellets). I've experienced this before with my geos when I was feeding exclusively feeding sinking carnivore pellets. I switched to nls and algae wafers and the problem cleared itself.
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Hhhmmm I've had a good amount of geos and the only geo I've had get HITH was a geo that loved eating a ton of feeders. All the others I've keep barely ate them. This could be something.


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strollo22 said:
It's also worth noting, since lucas touched on the Geo hith topic, that Geos will get hith if fed too much protein (meaty pellets). I've experienced this before with my geos when I was feeding exclusively feeding sinking carnivore pellets. I switched to nls and algae wafers and the problem cleared itself.
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Good point.
SOmeone needs to call hikari and get us some cichla pellets. Massivore w/ a little added algae :)
 
Im not training my big kelberis.. I prefer just to do a mix by myself.

Fish fillet + Whole shrimp + spirulina + a bit of vitamins or pellets.

I just need to discover if anybody at the university can sell me spirulina. It cost a lot at the drugstore. Fortunately Cichla dont need it a lot =/

Ps.: U can culture it for sure, but I didnt learned it yet. I will try to learn soon as possible..
 
The issue as I think it pertains to “Black water” fish has to do with the physiological aspect of how this affects the fish. As an organism ages it changes, maladies that affect us now never bothered us as kids and it’s the same with humans and fish. Our physiological make up changes and along with this are ability to resist certain disease changes. This is why I feel a fish that has been fine for 3+ years is all of a sudden not. Cichlia are not magical unicorns they are not any different than any other carnivorous fish from the black water rivers of South America as far as this issue is concerned.

We keep water not fish as the old saying goes. Let me talk about wild caught fish kept in aquaria here not tank raised aquarium strains in a broader sense. As I stated in another thread fish evolve in an ecological niche. They have developed an immune system that copes with the parasites and diseases that occur within their natural range. The Ph in this range is pretty acidic however varies from area to area so while some species and or sub species therein that come from an area with water parameters more conducive to Hexamita can cope with it better than a species that comes from an area where it can’t survive. Look at the diseases brought to the new world from Europe that wiped out entire populations as they had no natural immunity to it. These protozoan’s evolved like all other organisms on earth, to take advantage of curtain conditions that are conducive to their proliferation. The question then becomes what about this fish as opposed to the others that makes it an environment that allows Hex to thrive? It is in the broader sense an environmental issue be it internal or external we may never know as it pertains to this particular fish. It maybe it's somthing as simple as this fish isn’t producing stomach acid the same as it used to.

As far as diet is concerned I’m not sure. It is possible some part of its diet has caused the digestive tract to become more basic and a rise in Ph could be enough to create an environment perfect for the hex to take hold. Perhaps lowering the level of animal protean and increasing the amount of vegetable matter could be a start. I would also include raw garlic in the diet for now. We are now left to treat the condition but must address/discover the root cause. There is a good sticky in the Fresh Water Disease and Health Issues about the use of Probiotics in Aquaria and competitive exclusion. Worth a read.

This is an interesting subject. Good luck. This is just my opinion not regurgatated information from the internet. ;)
 
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