Hog Island BCI, out and about!
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lovespunaround;1295072; said:
What dietary needs? Unless it is a completely different subspecies, in which the Hogg Island is PROVEN to be just a locale of Boa constrictor imperator. Like I said, it's your snake, not mine.
Snakes can go without food for prolonged period of time, breed during that period and do their daily activities. Non-genetic dwarfism in boas is an adaptation these guys have. If you put a Columbian boa the same island as the Hogg Island, it will be around the same length of the wild Hoggs. Simple.
Look up the definition before using it then and learn to use it properly. There are at least 20 to 30 different known locales, and most of them are mainlands, of Boa constrictors in captivity that express the same wildtype phenotypes as the ones found in the wild. So what make a Hogg Island different from a mainland?
A Hogg Island is a locale of boa that have been dwarfed by lack of food. That's all there is to it. Knowing that, all they are to me are just boas with the same capability of a Columbian with a different skin. I means if they really don't need to get bigger than the size they are in the wild, then that would been altered genetically. The fact that the Hogg Islands are not genetically proven to be smaller suggest that at one time there was an abundance of food on the island.
Like I said, boas are known to be starter snakes because they are adaptable to the owner's routines. So, it not really starving a snake or overfeeding a snake.
My point in all this is that it is foolish to try and assert the fact that Hogg Islands don't get big and most people feed them normally, end up with big snakes and get angry at people on the Internet. So don't say Hogg Island are small, just say you slowed down its growth by feeding it less frequently.
Why am I still debating with you on this? There are numerous of statements that are said that shouldn't be said.
I was going to buy a Hogg Island as my first boa because they supposedly get small, then all the breeders said to stay away from them if I want small boas and stick with some of the northern Central American locales.
However, it is your snake, not mine. If you still fight that mainland boas are not different phenotypically and that the Hogg Island stand above them, I will pick at it; if you say that their dietary needs should not be altered, I will pick at it.
loconorc;1295313; said:
Thank you. I can tell you she isnt light when you are walking around with her at all. (I have always assumed she was a she due to her size but have never probed to be sure. The larger she got the darker her markings became. As far as care its about the same as any other larger boa.
lovespunaround;1295136; said:
Well if your husbandry is spot on, hogs should be getting larger than what you suggest, unless your are underfeeding. Or you are going wrong else where. Like I said, A yellow anaconda was fed a mouse once a month and was 3 years old..it stayed at THREE feet. THIS is stunting. THATS what is happening to the boa.
The proof is there. Anacondas in the wild get access to more food, they breed alot, are succesfull hunters, and are able to recover from serious injuries due to being the right size and weight. They are bigger. Now, hogs seem not to have access to that much food, so stay smaller, but given the same amount as other boas of the size or even just UNDER (!) they will grow to the size people have found they can.
The wild is harsh. Animals physically do better in captivity. Thats why these animals are getting a good size, its obviously going to beneficial to them, larger snakes are able to carry bigger litters than the smaller ones (which HELPS their species survive..thats the beneficial part that nature suggests)
Now tell me why a corn snake should be fed once a week but a boa shouldn't.
Corns in the wild don't REALLY reach 6' often. They do in captivity they are fed and looked after better. Some corns will starve to death in the wild due to not finding food. Some will go months and MONTHS without food but STILL survive.
Thats all hogs are doing. No different. It just happens they MAY be more aadapted to it due to HAVING to over the years.
Another way of looking at is, corn snakes do well for first snakes, they are forgiving of incorrect husbandry. But they do better with correct husbandry.
OF COURSE its beneficial to them getting fed more ( NO NOT over fed or overweight so don't go there please) than being underfed, whether thats compared to the wild or what your doing in captivity.
As for the excersise thing, No , sorry, snakes hardly get excersise, one found a good hide, they stay there as often as possible.
Snakes don't often go in search of new hides unless absolutely NECCASARY because of predators... they don't just wonder round like 'Oh I think I'll have some excersise and look for a new hide today, and tomorrow, and the day after'
Even if they did, the quantity of times they do is insignifacant as excersise as they don't do it often. You could also say snakes being out every day could replace that 'searching for hides' you seem to think they do so often.
If there reaching their full size by being fed correctly and the correct amount as often as most other boas or even just a tiny bit less (which they will!)
(NOT OVERFED OR BEING OVERWEIGHT)
Then er, Yeah , it does.
Wow, just wow.
Ya know, I have a common BCI that is pushing between nine and ten feet and is very hefty and I ONLY feed her 10 or 11 times a year. I guess I
"stunted" her. LOL!! Over feeding in captivity is VERY easy and leeds to big sedintary animals that can suffer liver and heart problems as well as a shortened life span.
Mem, your snake is KILLER. Since she gets darker all the time as she grows I wonder if she has a little "common" in her somewhere?
Ya know, I have a common BCI that is pushing between nine and ten feet and is very hefty and I ONLY feed her 10 or 11 times a year. I guess I
"stunted" her. LOL!! Over feeding in captivity is VERY easy and leeds to big sedintary animals that can suffer liver and heart problems as well as a shortened life span.
Mem, your snake is KILLER. Since she gets darker all the time as she grows I wonder if she has a little "common" in her somewhere?
walls;1295457; said:
Thank you again. She was very light when I first got her around the 12inch mark or so and has always had a peach tint to her. From my research I understand there are a few different color "tints"/variants you can find. And incase you were wondering, yes mine is CB. If I recall correctly they are endangered on Hogg Island.
is yours not an adult walls? are you feeding it one rat or something?
9 foot is good for an adult BCI
and obviously this is an adult. the hogg is not.
if you were feeding it as a babby one a month or less on something small, then id have something to say.
TBH if someone thinks theyre right they arent open for suggestions so whats the point arguing it over thinking about it? and im including myself on that one before sumbody jumps in..
as for the boa in the four ft tank. is it still in that?
9 foot is good for an adult BCI
and obviously this is an adult. the hogg is not.
if you were feeding it as a babby one a month or less on something small, then id have something to say.
TBH if someone thinks theyre right they arent open for suggestions so whats the point arguing it over thinking about it? and im including myself on that one before sumbody jumps in..
as for the boa in the four ft tank. is it still in that?
as for the boa in the four ft tank. is it still in that?[/QUOTE]
As for the 4ft. No and we are in the process of building a multisnake enclosure for our whole reptile collection. The snake have all been moved as my fish collection has taken over my living room. B)
As for the 4ft. No and we are in the process of building a multisnake enclosure for our whole reptile collection. The snake have all been moved as my fish collection has taken over my living room. B)
