Hoplias from Choco ID please

[bigguapote]

Can any 'Hoplias experts' (or at least someone who is more familiar with Hoplias than I am!) please offer some advice on what species we are looking at here?

Thanks in advance.

Jeff

 

[apriliarider15]

Need a picture of the lower jaw.

 

[bigguapote]

Need a picture of the lower jaw.

Thanks for your reply. They are in Colombia and I have the option of including them on next order.

If they are mals, then I'm probably not going to make an offer on them.
If they are curupira or other spp, I may consider them.

 

[mynheers_a_pint]

out on a limb here, but they look remarkably similar to the Hoplias Intermedius that were imported into the UK earlier this year. Jelly got one, and I nearly got one too;

Oh, just to add, they had only been in the country a couple of days when that pic was taken.

 

[bigguapote]

Thanks again, but as I understand it, H. intermedius is from Brazilian waters. These fish were collected on the Pacific side of Colombia.
That's why I specifically mention the Colombian state of Choco.

Again, I'm a Hoplias noob.
However, using the collection location as a starting point, then working towards an ID using visual confirmation, what do you guys think about H. microlepis? It seems plausible to me based on collection point and the minimal photographic representation of the species.

 

[mynheers_a_pint]

Thanks again, but as I understand it, H. intermedius is from Brazilian waters. These fish were collected on the Pacific side of Colombia.
That's why I specifically mention the Colombian state of Choco.

Again, I'm a Hoplias noob.
However, using the collection location as a starting point, then working towards an ID using visual confirmation, what do you guys think about H. microlepis? It seems plausible to me based on collection point and the minimal photographic representation of the species.

I wasn't sure on the distribution side.. Oyakawa states Intermedius are from Brazil, with the Curupira from Columbia, Venezuala but also in Brazil. Going purey by their outward appearance i wouldn't of said Microlepis but likewise, possibly not Malabaricus and definately not Curupira.

As i say, they do kind of look like the Intermedius, even if they aren't!

 

[mynheers_a_pint]

did a bit of searching and can confirm that the picture i posted is of fish from Columbia-

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303982&page=4

The label Intermedius was applied through a proces of deduction but that's not to say it isn't wrong.

 

[apriliarider15]

I was looking at the holotype for H. intermedia and these fish look very similar to it vesus the other species in the lacerdae group.

 

[Tigriuns™]

they landed at my LFS too also have no idea what it was
I thought was a sleeper goby haha

 

[jelly]

Its a Mala, I have seen them before in he UK. Great looking wolf.