Housing 10 Brandtii In Same Tank.

[luckydemonz3]

I say did it man im with you let me know if they breed ill take two lol keep in touch

 

[jp80911]

A piraya breeding project?.......




Just kidding guys.....


What size of a tank do you have in mind to do that?.

um..let me think..how big is Rio São Francisco? the tank will be about the same size..maybe can be a little smaller but not too much.

 

[911]

A little history might help here. Throughout the 70s,80s and even most of the 90's and sometimes these days the name s.brandtti was mistakingly applied to fish coming in to North America that were in fact Pristobrycon Denticulatus . These Dents are known to cohabed into shoals with little difficulty. The first group of true s.brandtti from Rio São Francisco that was brought in to North America was done in around 1994 or thereabouts by Oliver Lucanus for distribution along with the introduction of the pirayas. Hence, I'm not sure anyone had the true s.brandtti to shoal since the 1960s.

For academic work on diet and environment / behaviour you may wish to look at :
Diet of two serrasalmin species, Pygocentrus piraya and brandtii (Teleostei: Characidae), along a stretch of the rio de Contas, Bahia, Brazil , found in the source:
Neotropical Ichthyology Volume: 6 Issue: 4 Pages: 645-650 Published: OCT-DEC 2008.
or you can look here:

Diet of pirambeba Serrasalmus brandtii Reinhardt (Teleostei, Characidae) in four floodplain lakes in Sao Francisco river, Brazil
Author(s): dos Santos Pompeu, Paulo
Source: Revista Brasileira de Zoologia Volume: 16 Issue: Suppl. 2 Pages: 19-26 Published: Dec., 1999

Most hobbyist experiences with the true s.brandtti since its introduction into the hobby has indeed been consistent in respect to this species being best kept solitarily.

 

[Diogenes]

W000000000000000T!!

I'm stoked just thinking about it.

 

[Diogenes]

Lol. It's not so much of a breeding project...yet! First they have to refrain from killing each other. I'm hoping to buy my own house within a year. At that point I plan on building something truly big and maybe even a couple indoor ponds.
With all the advances in the hobby I see most species eventually being bred. It's happening now with a lot of Serrasalmus species, it's just not heard of.

Piraya would be awesome to breed!

Hey Ohio,

Where's that book store dude? Me and the lady have this thing (it sounds corny I know) where we travel the states going to cool bookstores. Been to some cool ones. I can tell you my favs in order so far: 1. City Lights SF, CA, 2. Jim Reeds "The Museum of Fond Memories" in Birminghm, AL (it's like walking into a ray bradbury novel mixed with a salvador dali painting, or it was before they moved locations), 3. Myopic Books Chi-town, IL.

What do you guys do there? Website? We may just come out there and see the place. Never been to OH.

 

[Diogenes]

A little history might help here. Throughout the 70s,80s and even most of the 90's and sometimes these days the name s.brandtti was mistakingly applied to fish coming in to North America that were in fact Pristobrycon Denticulatus . These Dents are known to cohabed into shoals with little difficulty. The first group of true s.brandtti from Rio São Francisco that was brought in to North America was done in around 1994 or thereabouts by Oliver Lucanus for distribution along with the introduction of the pirayas. Hence, I'm not sure anyone had the true s.brandtti to shoal since the 1960s.

For academic work on diet and environment / behaviour you may wish to look at :
Diet of two serrasalmin species, Pygocentrus piraya and brandtii (Teleostei: Characidae), along a stretch of the rio de Contas, Bahia, Brazil , found in the source:
Neotropical Ichthyology Volume: 6 Issue: 4 Pages: 645-650 Published: OCT-DEC 2008.
or you can look here:

Diet of pirambeba Serrasalmus brandtii Reinhardt (Teleostei, Characidae) in four floodplain lakes in Sao Francisco river, Brazil
Author(s): dos Santos Pompeu, Paulo
Source: Revista Brasileira de Zoologia Volume: 16 Issue: Suppl. 2 Pages: 19-26 Published: Dec., 1999

Most hobbyist experiences with the true s.brandtti since its introduction into the hobby has indeed been consistent in respect to this species being best kept solitarily.

thanks dude. I'll look that up.

haven't dentics been reclassified as Pygopristis denticulatus.

 

[Ohio Entusiast]

Hey Ohio,

Where's that book store dude? Me and the lady have this thing (it sounds corny I know) where we travel the states going to cool bookstores. Been to some cool ones. I can tell you my favs in order so far: 1. City Lights SF, CA, 2. Jim Reeds "The Museum of Fond Memories" in Birminghm, AL (it's like walking into a ray bradbury novel mixed with a salvador dali painting, or it was before they moved locations), 3. Myopic Books Chi-town, IL.

What do you guys do there? Website? We may just come out there and see the place. Never been to OH.

Actually traveling around to various bookstores doesn't sound corny at all...That my job! Actually I hit primarily thrift shops and book sales more than actual bookstores but do frequent quite a few bookshops. My personal favorite is The Tattered Cover, followed closely by Powells. City lights is pretty awesome in itself.

I gave up on my brick & mortar store as it wasn't as cost effective as selling online. I'm in the process of a complete inventory so only have about half of what I have is showing. You can check it out at
http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?quserid=PROMEDIA&cm_sp=product*listing*sellername

Should you or anyone need a book about the hobby or any book for that matter I'll find the best deal on it and send a link.

I kind of figured you might be a reader after seeing the quote in your signature line. What are your favorite authors? I'm into Hunter Thompson, virtually all Beat authors and William Vollmann among others.

 

[HarleyK]

Howdy,

Keepers have tried this sort of thing since the 60's so I'm not trying anything new here.

Then what makes you think you'll succeed? What are you planning on doing differently?

Back in the 1600's there was a fella by the name of Columbus.

Actually, Christopher Columbus lived from 1451-1506 ... he was already eaten by worms in the 1600s ...

HarleyK

 

[Diogenes]

Actually traveling around to various bookstores doesn't sound corny at all...That my job! Actually I hit primarily thrift shops and book sales more than actual bookstores but do frequent quite a few bookshops. My personal favorite is The Tattered Cover, followed closely by Powells. City lights is pretty awesome in itself.

I gave up on my brick & mortar store as it wasn't as cost effective as selling online. I'm in the process of a complete inventory so only have about half of what I have is showing. You can check it out at
http://www.alibris.com/booksearch?quserid=PROMEDIA&cm_sp=product*listing*sellername

Should you or anyone need a book about the hobby or any book for that matter I'll find the best deal on it and send a link.

I kind of figured you might be a reader after seeing the quote in your signature line. What are your favorite authors? I'm into Hunter Thompson, virtually all Beat authors and William Vollmann among others.

man...I have such varied interest in books that I really couldn't start to list them here or anywhere else. Currently I'm into German literature in a big way. I'm working my way through Hesse's library. I'm a big fan of Phillip K Dick too and I've read approximately 15 or so of his novels and every short story he ever published. I also read a lot of fantasy and sci-fi. I also read a lot of philosophy, anthropology, theoretical physics, (I've enjoyed Michio Kaku, Brian Green, and Hawking). I also read and write poetry. Other authors of note: Noam Chomsky, Kerouac, Burroughs, Joseph Campbell, Sarte, Camus, Kafka, Bukowski, Voltaire, Dostoevsky, Huxley, Orwell, Hemingway, Emerson and Thoreau, Bradbury, Heinlein, George RR Martin, Tolkien, Tad Williams, and most if not all of the classics. That's all I can list off the top of my head. I'm sure there's more.


Oh and ofcourse the parables of Diogenes of Sinope

my name sake

 

[Ohio Entusiast]

Howdy,



Then what makes you think you'll succeed? What are you planning on doing differently?



Actually, Christopher Columbus lived from 1451-1506 ... he was already eaten by worms in the 1600s ...

HarleyK

Yeah, I realized my mistake about 5 minutes after posting. I have a tendency to write while doing 10 other things....

Actually, many have succeeded and I have three of their phone numbers on speed dial. I think my biggest advantage is tank size. These are housed in a 480 gallon that's heavily planted. I'm considering taking most of the planting out though as I see them already establishing territories.

I'm not saying I'll have 100% success with this. I just want to learn more about their behavior and know it from personal experience rather than listen to people on a forum whom have never even kept 1 Brandtii, let alone multiples.
I know the chances for long term housing is slim but if more people experiment like this than the better off the hobby will be. I feel the first order of business for keepers is to provide as much honest and accurate information as possible.