Housing 10 Brandtii In Same Tank.

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo
Im actually hoping by the time im 25 i will have bred my fish.. I sort of feel bad for him.. it must be like solitary confinement.. so im sort of doing it for two reasons.. to see if i can actually be the first person to do it.. and so that my prize fish doesnt die a virgin:nilly::grinno:
 
cepon3;3123204; said:
Im actually hoping by the time im 25 i will have bred my fish.. I sort of feel bad for him.. it must be like solitary confinement.. so im sort of doing it for two reasons.. to see if i can actually be the first person to do it.. and so that my prize fish doesnt die a virgin:nilly::grinno:

just get your fish a blow up doll in the shape of an other brandtii, it'll at least make it feel better :ROFL: and you probably find out of your fish is male or female.
lol


actually myself is hoping one of my rhom is female then maybe I'll be the first to breed rhombeus but I'm too chicken to put them in one tank..
 
jp80911;3123337; said:
just get your fish a blow up doll in the shape of an other brandtii, it'll at least make it feel better :ROFL: and you probably find out of your fish is male or female.
lol


actually myself is hoping one of my rhom is female then maybe I'll be the first to breed rhombeus but I'm too chicken to put them in one tank..

Rhombeus have been bred in captivity if im not mistaken. But it was at a zoo in a very large pond system, not in a home tank..
 
cepon3;3123468; said:
Rhombeus have been bred in captivity if im not mistaken. But it was at a zoo in a very large pond system, not in a home tank..

Yea I know rhom had been bred in captivity in a zoo or an aquarium but that's in a multi-thousand gallon tank. I believe there's also a breeding population of rhombeus found in pond in FL. but never by hobbyist.
I believe if you have a large enough tank, like 10000g you can pretty much cohab any piranhas you want in there.
 
cepon3;3122966; said:
I dont plan on keeping a large group.. i plan on keeping a pair. that would be the goal.. to have the two fish together in one tank, that is small enough so that they would be forced to see eachother all the time, with little to no aggression. Far fetched, maybe but not impossible.. As you probably know Brandtii like the piraya come from the Rio Sao francisco river and its tributaries.. In research i was looking at the different varients of rhombeus produced in different locales, and the physical differences can be very extreme.. Changing color, body shape, head structure, maturity age and other things aswell depending on where the fish was collected. Upon inspecting pictures of serrasalmus brandtii from the internet you will notice two distinct color forms, both gold and silver. Seeing that this fish is only collected from the confined space of that single river i find it hard to believe that there would be changes in the fish do to the environment so I am looking in to the possibility of sexual dimorphism in this specie.. Im not saying that my ideas are correct im just saying its a possibility and i havent heard of anyone trying this yet.. so i proceed to step outside the box and try something new.. Same idea (cohabitating them) different technique.. Obviously it is not impssible to cohab serras, i have seen it done before but i believe it only works when its beneficial to the fish.. having such a large group IMO triggers the fish to see the other indivduals of the shoal as a threat, and they show very high amounts of aggression.. I believe that when it comes down to it, its really up to the fish, not us whether or not they will let it happen.. Correct pairing of the fish will also play a major role. i will let the fish see smell eachother through a divider for a lengthy period of time before i even let them swim together for breif supervised minimal amounts of time.. I tried this with my brandtii and an irritans a while back.. my brandtii is a killer, in all seriousness, but didnt show any aggression to this irritans through the divider, only when the irritans started to attack the divider did the brandtii retaliate.. he was more interested in "checking out" the irritans. This might be due to the fact that an irritans is silver, like some brandtii. Thsi is where i get the idea that the color difference is marking sexual difference..

I am in no way an expert i just took the time out to locate as much information as possible.. i am looking into another brandtii at this time and will hopefully have it swimming in one of my tanks in the next couple of weeks.

Interesting take on the sexual dimorphism being the cause of the varied coloration. Mine are of the gold variety and look very different than yours. Mine are much more compressed. They look like two completely different species in a way.

I also believe the key to successful cohabitation lies in each fishes personality. I have about 3 that I feel would live in my tank with little or no problem. In my case with all of them together, there were two fish that wreaked havoc and seemed to irritate the others into aggression.

I'm going to go back to the basics and set up a Sanchezi or Mac tank and try to learn from those. I know Pygocentrus species but am new to Serrasalmus. I raised a tank of Pygos that would dispell 90% of the comments you see about them. Mine are no longer timid and in fact come directly to the front of the tank and observe me. They eat pellets, veggies and probably most anything else I'd want to introduce.

Anyway, I'm beating my brains out trying to figure out a sump set-up and dialing it in so have to concentrate on that more than anything right now.
 
Ohio Entusiast;3125215; said:
Interesting take on the sexual dimorphism being the cause of the varied coloration. Mine are of the gold variety and look very different than yours. Mine are much more compressed. They look like two completely different species in a way.

I also believe the key to successful cohabitation lies in each fishes personality. I have about 3 that I feel would live in my tank with little or no problem. In my case with all of them together, there were two fish that wreaked havoc and seemed to irritate the others into aggression.

I'm going to go back to the basics and set up a Sanchezi or Mac tank and try to learn from those. I know Pygocentrus species but am new to Serrasalmus. I raised a tank of Pygos that would dispell 90% of the comments you see about them. Mine are no longer timid and in fact come directly to the front of the tank and observe me. They eat pellets, veggies and probably most anything else I'd want to introduce.

Anyway, I'm beating my brains out trying to figure out a sump set-up and dialing it in so have to concentrate on that more than anything right now.

I love custom filtration.. if you need any help or ideas, i will help in any way possible
 
Ohio Entusiast;3125215; said:
They look like two completely different species in a way.

There's a good chance they are different species. S. rhombeus is considered a complex of undescribed species, compressus has a group as well. There's so little known about the serrasalmus genus in general. Maybe you guys just discovered the Brandtii complex...
 
Diogenes;3127368; said:
There's a good chance they are different species. S. rhombeus is considered a complex of undescribed species, compressus has a group as well. There's so little known about the serrasalmus genus in general. Maybe you guys just discovered the Brandtii complex...

Its quite the possibility.. OhioEnthusiast, if you have pictures of your brandtiis i would love to see them.. To compare and contrast from the other fish i have seen..

I dont know about the brandtii complex.. it may be as simple as the elongatus.. Black mask. and theres regular, then i have seen them with a red nal fin and some red on the operculum as well.. but they arent classafies as anything other then elongatus
 
cepon3;3127762; said:
Its quite the possibility.. OhioEnthusiast, if you have pictures of your brandtiis i would love to see them.. To compare and contrast from the other fish i have seen..

I dont know about the brandtii complex.. it may be as simple as the elongatus.. Black mask. and theres regular, then i have seen them with a red nal fin and some red on the operculum as well.. but they arent classafies as anything other then elongatus

right well yeah it could be same species different morph or different species undescribed, It happens with cichlids all the time and there's been way more study into that than Ps.
 
MonsterFishKeepers.com