how bad is this???

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And if you read up on that place they use fresh stream water from where the fish live in the wild, Most of us don't have stuff like that to use in our tanks in the U.S.
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Not likely. That farm is based in Asia, Thailand I believe, not South America where discus are found in the wild. Nor is the water "fresh stream water". (see below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4IWBx2gSl0

Lucky Tropical Fish Farm Water Fiberglass Storage Tanks. We have 9 of them, each storing up to 2300 gallon and a total of 20000 gallon to be used each day because we are changing our water 100% twice daily.
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And to add to that, I haven't cleaned my filters in "old fish tank water" as you stated should be done, ever. I clean them in clean, dechlorinated tap water.

In this instance the OP clearly stated:
it was dechlorinated and the filters ran for maybe 1 n half hour
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.... which getting back to my previous point, which neutrino stated so well;
It depends on quality and consistency of your new water vs. tank water.
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I have set up many a new tanks with 100% freshly dechlorinated tap water, and well seasoned filters with not even so much as a tiny hiccup. Many times, over many years - but my tap water always closely matches my tank water.

How hard the water sprayed down on those discus in the video has nothing to do with this discussion, at least not from my perspective on water parameters.
 
I run 4 growout and fry tanks and drip 50% tank volume daily. My display/breeding tanks get a 75% change at least weekly.

Im an advocate of large water changes and have been doing them on this scale for almost 20 years. As long as ph and temps are stable, you're good to go.
 
RD. said:
Not likely. That farm is based in Asia, Thailand I believe, not South America where discus are found in the wild. Nor is the water "fresh stream water". (see below)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4IWBx2gSl0



And to add to that, I haven't cleaned my filters in "old fish tank water" as you stated should be done, ever. I clean them in clean, dechlorinated tap water.

In this instance the OP clearly stated:

.... which getting back to my previous point, which neutrino stated so well;

I have set up many a new tanks with 100% freshly dechlorinated tap water, and well seasoned filters with not even so much as a tiny hiccup. Many times, over many years - but my tap water always closely matches my tank water.

How hard the water sprayed down on those discus in the video has nothing to do with this discussion, at least not from my perspective on water parameters.
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Sorry but I don't believe that for a minute!!! You may not have noticed anything but believe that tank went threw a whole new cycle again!!!!
 
INTHECOWBOYSWETRUST said:
Sorry but I don't believe that for a minute!!! You may not have noticed anything but believe that tank went threw a whole new cycle again!!!!
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How? Why would the tank cycle? Please explain
 
To be honest, there are some discus farms who don't even run filtration. They do so many water changes and in such large quantities that it's not even needed. But I honestly don't know what you're arguing here. Fresh water does not hurt fish, so long as it is dechlorinated and they do not deal with pH or temperature shock. This is why the water is aged in holding tanks. It is heated and aerated to stabilize the pH and match it to the same parameters as the existing tank water. As long as you do this, you can change water all day long. While some nitrifying bacteria are found in the water column, a majority of it is located in the media of your filters. Short of destroying this with bleach or medication, the beneficial bacteria is fairly resilient and will continue to thrive so long as it is oxygenated and fed (with ammonia, produced by your fish).

People scoffed at me changing 90%+ water in my discus tanks but I've been doing it for years. The results of large water changes speak for themselves in terms of discus. I have always applied this same principle to other cichlids as well.

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Here's the same fish a few months later as large, fat, happy adults (note the female laying eggs on the heater cord in the background):

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ryansmith83 said:
To be honest, there are some discus farms who don't even run filtration. They do so many water changes and in such large quantities that it's not even needed. But I honestly don't know what you're arguing here. Fresh water does not hurt fish, so long as it is dechlorinated and they do not deal with pH or temperature shock. This is why the water is aged in holding tanks. It is heated and aerated to stabilize the pH and match it to the same parameters as the existing tank water. As long as you do this, you can change water all day long. While some nitrifying bacteria are found in the water column, a majority of it is located in the media of your filters. Short of destroying this with bleach or medication, the beneficial bacteria is fairly resilient and will continue to thrive so long as it is oxygenated and fed (with ammonia, produced by your fish).

People scoffed at me changing 90%+ water in my discus tanks but I've been doing it for years. The results of large water changes speak for themselves in terms of discus. I have always applied this same principle to other cichlids as well.

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Here's the same fish a few months later as large, fat, happy adults (note the female laying eggs on the heater cord in the background):

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Exactly. If they are changing 100% twice a day, I highly doubt they use traditional filtration.

Filters are bridges between water changes and nothing more.
 
Sorry but I don't believe that for a minute!!! You may not have noticed anything but believe that tank went threw a whole new cycle again!!!!
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A prime example of why one should never believe everything that they read on the internet.
 
RD. said:
A prime example of why one should never believe everything that they read on the internet.
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That is so funny you would say that... I swear as I was reading some of the things people wrote on here I was thinking the same exact thing!!!! WOW..... I don't know maybe I am wrong and you guys have perfect crystal clear stream water running through your water pipes and they don't add any chemicals to clean it and kill the bad stuff off, But where I live they get our water out of the muddy Maumee river and run it through 2 different water cleaning plants to clean it and then add a million and one different chemicals to it to kill any kind of micro bacteria, algae or any other living things left in the water that the filters did not get out.. And believe it or not these chemicals that are made to kill bacteria will kill it rather it is in the water treatment plant or your fish tank filter... THATS WHAT IT IS MADE TO DO... I bet you will next tell me real hot or real cold water will not kill the bacteria in your filter either right?? Now I understand why my fish love me so much and I can keep the fish that everyone else says they can't and I never have a problem with them!!!!
 
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