how can killing carp help the population of native fishes?

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1) Do not compare fish to humans. Humans have a mean to freely migrate wherever and whenever they want; a fish does not migrate halfway across the world without man intervention.

2) Every bits help. Every female carp you kill, the less eggs that are being laid. The less hatched carps there are, it allow the natives to stick around longer and perhaps find a new niché -- which in itself is a rare occurance. The battle may seem worthless, useless and self-defeating, but there is a good logic.

3) The more we fight the invasive species, the longer the existing ecosystem will hang there. It slow down the spread of the species into other native ecosystems, and allow those ecosystem to absorb the ecological shock more easily.

Think about it -- if there are 6 invasive fish and they lay 300 eggs each -- 3 are which are females. Let say Joe killed one of the females, that means that instead of 900 eggs, there are now 600 eggs. So instead of 900 fish going around, the ecosystem only have to cope the shock of 600, not the shock of 900.

Now -- most lakes and waterways should have a fish cleaning stations OR a public dumpster. If worse come to worst, you can always eat the carp, give it to a friend, feed it to your dog or bury it.
 
TheBloodyIrish;887992; said:
1) Do not compare fish to humans. Humans have a mean to freely migrate wherever and whenever they want; a fish does not migrate halfway across the world without man intervention.

2) Every bits help. Every female carp you kill, the less eggs that are being laid. The less hatched carps there are, it allow the natives to stick around longer and perhaps find a new niché -- which in itself is a rare occurance. The battle may seem worthless, useless and self-defeating, but there is a good logic.

3) The more we fight the invasive species, the longer the existing ecosystem will hang there. It slow down the spread of the species into other native ecosystems, and allow those ecosystem to absorb the ecological shock more easily.

Think about it -- if there are 6 invasive fish and they lay 300 eggs each -- 3 are which are females. Let say Joe killed one of the females, that means that instead of 900 eggs, there are now 600 eggs. So instead of 900 fish going around, the ecosystem only have to cope the shock of 600, not the shock of 900.

Now -- most lakes and waterways should have a fish cleaning stations OR a public dumpster. If worse come to worst, you can always eat the carp, give it to a friend, feed it to your dog or bury it.

nice... very well said man! thanks! i sure did learned alot on this thread... :)
 
I dont think anything released into the Florida waterways wont matter anymore. They are so screwed up its not funny. Between alligator gar, carp, mayan cichlids, jaguars, snakeheads and others. It cant get much worse. Im not going to release any of my fish in there. Its still wrong, but I think the water system is so messed up already it cant be any worse then it already is.
 
AnDr3w;888507; said:
I dont think anything released into the Florida waterways wont matter anymore. They are so screwed up its not funny. Between alligator gar, carp, mayan cichlids, jaguars, snakeheads and others. It cant get much worse. Im not going to release any of my fish in there. Its still wrong, but I think the water system is so messed up already it cant be any worse then it already is.

Alligator gar are native.

I like carp, I think they are really cool fish but I agree with the others when it comes to their living in our waterways. They don't belong here and should be taken care of.
 
AnDr3w;888507; said:
I dont think anything released into the Florida waterways wont matter anymore. They are so screwed up its not funny. Between alligator gar, carp, mayan cichlids, jaguars, snakeheads and others. It cant get much worse. Im not going to release any of my fish in there. Its still wrong, but I think the water system is so messed up already it cant be any worse then it already is.


You know not from where you speak.

It can be alot worse and giving up is not the answer.

Ours is the breeding ground from which all others are judged.

As the different invasive species are adjusting to cooler climate conditions, they move further north...both fauna & flora.

It only takes a few people hearing the phrase "I dont think anything released into the Florida waterways wont matter anymore" to then release their fish or snakes or lizards or birds or even monkeys !, thinking they'll be fine.

Take responsiblility for our waterways.

Remember we have our own 'carp' here...they're called talapia.

Dr Joe

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AnDr3w;888507; said:
I dont think anything released into the Florida waterways wont matter anymore. They are so screwed up its not funny. Between alligator gar, carp, mayan cichlids, jaguars, snakeheads and others. It cant get much worse. Im not going to release any of my fish in there. Its still wrong, but I think the water system is so messed up already it cant be any worse then it already is.

It's not just a problem in Florida. And how do you know one more species of non-native fish will possibly be all it takes to screw up something 10 times worse than it already is. there is no argument for keeping this fish around (where it is an invasive species) until it is either gone or finds a natural balance where it can coexist with native species and not harm their populations. I think this has already been proven to not happen though.
 
Dr Joe;888672; said:
It only takes a few people hearing the phrase "I dont think anything released into the Florida waterways wont matter anymore" to then release their fish or snakes or lizards or birds or even monkeys !, thinking they'll be fine.

Take responsiblility for our waterways.

Remember we have our own 'carp' here...they're called talapia.

Dr Joe

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Very good point
 
Agreed. Just because there are non-natives already in our waterways does not mean we should release more. We need to make things better, not worse.
 
AnDr3w;888507; said:
I dont think anything released into the Florida waterways wont matter anymore. They are so screwed up its not funny. Between alligator gar, carp, mayan cichlids, jaguars, snakeheads and others. It cant get much worse. Im not going to release any of my fish in there. Its still wrong, but I think the water system is so messed up already it cant be any worse then it already is.

This attitude is exactly why I illustrated point three of my previous post.

3) The more we fight the invasive species, the longer the existing ecosystem will hang there. It slow down the spread of the species into other native ecosystems, and allow those ecosystem to absorb the ecological shock more easily.
 
There are still pristine springs up here in N Florida.... not invaded with giant plecos like the Silver River, St. Johns, etc.

Problem is down south, its tropical. Up here the springs stay 72 year round, so the fish acclimate to it. Florida is just really comfy for lots of species, and a lot of 'em end up here, either via industry/shipping, tourists, released pets, etc.
 
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