How Does This Even Work?

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I wouldn't called being depressed peaceful :-p I just find it a little insulting, that some over crowded tanks are ok, but there others with 50% less bioload then that 75g get the earbashing of a lifetime and probabley don't use this site again, I have myself been put off by the lectures you receive on here. Just goes to show, one rule for one, one rule for another. I do believe if a overcrowded tank works and the fsh are fine brilliant, but not fish of that aggression or size. I personally never disclose my stock on this site as there will always be someone to pick fault. I just find it interesting that someone will get verbal earbashings for keeping 2 oscars in a 55 and yet this 75 with 3 red devils is ok?

You should not get so upset..
It does look crouded..but its not your tank and the people with this tank are not on the site asking questions like why are my fish not eating..or why are they beating each other up..
we have no clue on the filtration of the tank...no clue on the maitnance schedual and no clue on if the tank is temp..or planning to upgrade or any of about 1000 other factors..

is it over crouded? yes...is it on the cruler side? probably
but they are not on this site asking for anything and we have no further information on the tank.
there are far worse crouded tanks on this site..and no one crys about them becouse they disclose cleaning rutines and filtration..

just my thoughts...
 
So you won't tell people what your own stock is for fear of what people will think, but you'll gladly post someone elses' video and then encourage us to comment negatively on it? I don't get the point behind that.

I'm a firm believer in giving your fish adequately sized tanks and I do not feel these fish are in one. However, there are really no hard and fast rules when it comes to things like stocking. You can collect evidence based on personal experiences and use that to come up with general rules of thumb, but there will always be someone to come along and show you the exception. I know a guy keeping angelfish and discus with large adult oscars and there are no issues. I would never attempt this for multiple reasons, but with adequate feedings and water changes, it works fine. None of the discus are emaciated or sickly, none of them have damaged fins... somehow it just works.

My guess is that to grow large, healthy fish with a big bioload in a tank that size, you'd need to slam them with water changes of discus proportions. You can easily grow out a big, messy cichlid in a smaller tank if you give them daily or every-other-day water changes. Does it negate the benefits of a larger tank, or mean the fish is happy? That's debatable. I will always be a firm believer in giving fish as much room as you can based on their adult size. Others won't agree. They may take heat for it, but it may or may not change their mind about what works for them. Maybe they're taking a gamble and all of those fish massacre each other one day. Then again, what's to stop them from doing the same thing in a 300 gallon tank?

It really boils down to differences of opinion on what you think is adequate for your fish. I've seen people here suggest tankmates for certain sized tanks and it makes me scratch my head. All you can do is state your experience, offer suggestions, and ultimately people will have to decide which route they take. *shrug*
 
^^ exactly. When I set up my 300 I was told by several members, who I am still friends with, that 4 12" fish in an 8' tank would be overstocked. Technically speaking, based on the size of a defended territory in the wild......they were right.

These are only opinions really and each is entitled to their own. I don't think overstocking any kind of tank even with neons is a good idea, but it's just my opinion. It's up to you how you take that opinion........

Getting upset about someone else's stocking levels is kinda pointless. It's kinda like getting mad about people talking or texting while driving. All the anger n the world won't stop it.

Not saying, you, are doing this .......but, most folks who post up other folks tanks, and then won't post their own, are usually looking for a reason to feel better about their stocking for whatever reason. Life's too short. Enjoy your fish!
 
oh no, theres plenty of videos on here of my tank, but im very jubious of who i show it to.

I dont feel my tank is over crowded, but then i also dont plan on keeping all of my stock,

I only have 4 large cichlids, well i say large... 2 convicts and 2 parrots. the rest are all target fish, works well for the moment. But if i was to add a JD i feel there would be enough room, but tank has 2500 LPH of a canister and a 1000LPH internal, and i do two 25% water changes a week, which i base on the readings i take twice a week.

I am very careful with my stock. Some may say it doesnt work, but for the most part it works well.
 
Well, lets be honest, we all know its cruel. If people want to argue this then fair enough. Im big enough to agree to disagree.

I dont know why i shared this if im honest, i felt the video was quite shocking. But as things along those lines tend to do, it caused a mini debate, which wasnt my intention
 
I personally see it as cruel and a big gamble. I understand that in the wild fish die due to aggression, but this isn't the wild. We can control these types of losses by simply not putting the fish in these kinds of situations in aquariums.
 
I personally see it as cruel and a big gamble. I understand that in the wild fish die due to aggression, but this isn't the wild. We can control these types of losses by simply not putting the fish in these kinds of situations in aquariums.

I think most of us agree with this. It's not a tank you would ever see in my house, however every once in a while you see somthing like this and is works. Again it's not somthing you would ever see me do or would I ever encourage it. Not to mention the fact I find it asteticly unpleasing and much higher maintenance than it's worth IMO. The op asked "How does this even work?" and just tried to answer his question.
 
a bit crowded but they all seem really healthy. even in my big tank i have nipped fins and fighting. i wonder if those 3 same fish in a 200 plus would coexist the same.
 
a bit crowded but they all seem really healthy. even in my big tank i have nipped fins and fighting. i wonder if those 3 same fish in a 200 plus would coexist the same.

Good question, in a larger tank where these fish could establish terratories what was once a peacful coexistance could turn ugly fast. Once the dynamic is changed no telling what will happen. My gut says if you put these fish in a larger tak now they would tear each other apart. That is of course nothing more than speculation on my part, I could be compleatly wrong but I would be very hesatant about changing anything at this point unless somthing happened to necessatate it.
 
Well, lets be honest, we all know its cruel. If people want to argue this then fair enough. Im big enough to agree to disagree.

I dont know why i shared this if im honest, i felt the video was quite shocking. But as things along those lines tend to do, it caused a mini debate, which wasnt my intention


No worries, and I for one agree with you on your stocking perspective. Sounds like you have a nicely stocked tank yourself and I too, agree that keeping that many large fish in such a small space is a bad idea.......and I think a good debate is good every now and then, especially when most of us feel the same as you do......

But as Aquanero points out, taking this stock and giving them a much larger tank could potentially shake up what seems to be a peaceful existence, Not saying this particular tank is peaceful all the time, because my fish act VERY differently when they know they are being photographed.....they are actually all a bunch of hams, but it is interesting that the fish in the tank do seem to be quite large, with big nuchal humps and no shredded fins.

Not my idea of a good tank at all, but what is more cruel? Seeing these three fish coexist without injury or seeing a tank 10x the size with fish with battle scars and fins torn to hell.......I myself have had to deal with more aggression from time to time once I moved most of my large cichlids from the 90 they had outgrown (in my mind) and introduced them to the 300. All logic about giving them tons of added space and room to grow went out the window when I saw 2 fish that had never fought once in the 90, battle ferociously over one particular "territory" within their new much larger home......

sometimes, as a fish keeper I feel responsible for the end result, because my fish are ultimately at the mercy of me, the hobbyist. I thought 4-6 medium to large cichlids would have ample space in the new 8 footer, but I 've experienced more aggression in this setup than a lot of other hobbyists experience in the same size tank with 3 to 4 times the stock.

Some stock lists around here completely baffle the mind, but I think there is something to be said about "overstocking". I personally hate a tank with no decor, no cover and tons of fish, just hanging out piled on top of each other, but it's hard to argue the end result.......

the real question I still have though is......"yes it works, but for how long?" and none of us can answer that question. I'd prefer to give my fish space and to not have to do an insane amount of maintenance in order to keep them. I like enjoying my fish and even if I could add 10 more fish to my tank, from a bio standpoint alone, it would be more work than it would be worth at the end of the day. if i have to referee every now and again to give them what I see as a good healthy environment, than I guess that comes with the turf. They are cichlids at the end of the day......
 
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