How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?

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I still have my location as Oregon but I don't live there anymore.

I'm in California and my county has had similar new cases numbers per day since the beginning of August. It spiked up at the end of July but has plateaued since early August and not continued to rise like many other parts of the country.

 

[skjl47]

the vast majority also do not have the staff required to deal with a huge surge.

Hello; saw a news report this evening. One reason there is a shortage of health care workers is numbers have been fired from their positions because they will not take the shots. I think it is about 25% of such workers in NY state.

 

[skjl47]

While many of us laugh and roll our eyeballs at some of the flaky socialist legislators we have, the biggest socialists around are those decrying mandates and demanding their "rights". When they get sick and end up 70 - 90 days in ICU on ventilators, who is going to end up paying the bill? Most likely, it's going to be we the people.

Hello; I do not miss the point. Can not the same be said for the expensive treatment of smokers, drinkers and fat people? They may not have the chance to infect with their illness, but it does cost a lot. I have seen a few at the end of life need more treatment than they can afford.

Can we start to see the same for those who refuse a flu shot? Perhaps a few other communicable diseases. Say if you have sex outside of marriage and get an STD, then we refuse treatment? To me this sort of idea is both appealing and horrible. I do not smoke at all and only drink lightly. I might could have cheaper health care costs if some of those diseases from self abuse could be refused treatment.

At the same time I would not want to be a patient of a doctor who refused to treat an unvaccinated covid patient or a drunk or a smoker. I cannot picture the moral level of such a person to be in charge of my care. I have been under the impression they swear some sort of oath. I guess that is an old fashioned idea. How long before the criteria for treatment moves beyond the covid virus. Maybe do away with the pesky laws that require emergency room must treat folks who do not pay. Some hospitals have done away with the emergency rooms.

I personally do not like cigarette smoke. It use to trigger migraines for me. I really liked it when smoking was banned in most public places. I got that the "rights" of some were stomped on, but I did not care. I could eat out and enjoy a meal.

Here is a possible compromise. Say a smoker needs a lung or two. A drinker needs some chunks of liver. A fat person needs a new heart. We refuse all those things and keep them doped up until they pass. They do not go bankrupt from high medical treatment costs and their families can inherit more. Of course the hospitals will miss out on the enormous profits from end of life treatments. Of course I want my lifestyle choices to be exempt because, after all, they are mine.

 

[RD.]

Hello; saw a news report this evening. One reason there is a shortage of health care workers is numbers have been fired from their positions because they will not take the shots. I think it is about 25% of such workers in NY state.

That has nothing to do with the shortage of health care workers, at least here in Canada. In Canada, even folks with PhD's are smart enough to get the vaccine.

 

[RD.]

(1) Health care job vacancies in Canada are soaring despite COVID-19 demand. Here’s why - National | Globalnews.ca


“The need was greater than the supply for qualified candidates” well before COVID-19 outbreaks threatened to overwhelm Canada’s health-care system, Levy said.

But against the backdrop of a raging pandemic, she said reluctance was “understandable” for those on the front lines, such as registered nurses, who may not want to risk their mental and physical health in exchange for challenging working conditions.

‘Burnout is real’: COVID-19 pandemic takes mental health toll on health-care workers | Globalnews.ca


The third wave: The shortage of health-care workers because they are too burnt out or sick themselves | National Post

Coronavirus: Staff shortages, emotional toll weigh on health-care staff during Ontario's 3rd wave | CTV News

Canadian nurses are leaving in droves, worn down by 16 merciless months on the front lines of COVID-19 - The Globe and Mail


Shall I go on?

We are now in the 4th wave. Do the math.

 

[Stanzzzz7]

 

[esoxlucius]

I have been under the impression they swear some sort of oath.

I believe there is some sort of unwritten code amongst doctors that they try to keep patients alive at all costs, whatever their predicament. Hence the reason that they refuse to engage in assisted euthanasia, even with the most desperate and hopeless of cases, in the UK anyway.

The doctor you refer to is on very tricky ground taking that stance because, as you say, it may eventually be applicable to non covid related instances too. If doctors refused to treat smokers, drug users, heavy drinkers or the obese, and only agreed to treat people who didn't smoke, drink, take drugs or get fat, basically all the fit healthy people in society, then they wouldn't have jobs!!!

 

[RD.]

What you are referring to is the Hippocratic Oath, part of which contains the statement or promise to first do no harm.

 

[RD.]

I believe there is some sort of unwritten code amongst doctors that they try to keep patients alive at all costs, whatever their predicament.

In the elderly it does not typically work that way. At least not in Canada. While a doctor does not assist in deaths, they do not prevent them beyond keeping the person comfortable in their last stage of life. Someone will have typically signed off on just that - no heroics.

 

[esoxlucius]

What you are referring to is the Hippocratic Oath,

That's the one, I knew it had a fancy name.

In the elderly it does not typically work that way. At least not in Canada. While a doctor does not assist in deaths, they do not prevent them beyond keeping the person comfortable in their last stage of life. Someone will have typically signed off on just that - no heroics

I suppose a DNR signed letter by their next of kin helps the doctor's considerably when the end draws near too?