Everything is being peddled.
Don’t take my word on this.
Read the Bard. He knew 400 years ago.
How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?
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Everything is being peddled.
Don’t take my word on this.
Read the Bard. He knew 400 years ago.
Their “own” people are feeding them BS. They can‘t make good decisions based on that. Too many things are compromised from within. Politicians spying on each other in the guise of law enforcement.
Chaos comes, followed with scorched earth politics, to sanitize the aftermath.
Which takes us back to the golden rule. Those with the gold will sanitize to their own satisfaction.
Again with the misleading cable news commentary that doesn't prove what you think it does...
We could have used a lot more of the top people in charge filtering out bs. And putting SCIENTISTS in charge of briefings on the pandemic instead of using them as riff sessions on bleach and disinfectants and drugs on which they or their friends have a financial interest.
We're obviously still learning about immunity to covid and its variants and I expect that the cdc and other scientists will share what the latest science is. Especially now that there aren't political appointees trying to corrupt the mmwr.
We could have used a lot more of the top people in charge filtering out bs. And putting SCIENTISTS in charge of briefings on the pandemic instead of using them as riff sessions on bleach and disinfectants and drugs on which they or their friends have a financial interest.
We're obviously still learning about immunity to covid and its variants and I expect that the cdc and other scientists will share what the latest science is. Especially now that there aren't political appointees trying to corrupt the mmwr.
That's what great about science: if there is bs someone will blow the whistle and refute what is published or otherwise put into policy. There are no shortage of credible fact checkers and scientists ready to test anything that's unsupported.
QUOTE="Ulu, post: 8351738, member: 169852"]
Their “own” people are feeding them BS. They can‘t make good decisions based on that. Too many things are compromised from within. Politicians spying on each other in the guise of law enforcement.
Chaos comes, followed with scorched earth politics, to sanitize the aftermath.
Which takes us back to the golden rule. Those with the gold will sanitize to their own satisfaction.
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QUOTE="Ulu, post: 8351738, member: 169852"]
Their “own” people are feeding them BS. They can‘t make good decisions based on that. Too many things are compromised from within. Politicians spying on each other in the guise of law enforcement.
Chaos comes, followed with scorched earth politics, to sanitize the aftermath.
Which takes us back to the golden rule. Those with the gold will sanitize to their own satisfaction.
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Hello; There you go again with the bleach implication. You really want that false story to stay alive. I watched the press conference live. Trump turned and asked if there is anything like bleach people can take that will help. (not exact words) . He was asking the woman with the scarves, Brix maybe, and one other, maybe Fauci. I think Brix gave the answer that no there is nothing like that we can take. That should have ben the end of it. A question from a layperson (not a biologist or medical person) asked and answered. You and others like to throw that false stuff out now and back in the past when it was a political ploy.
Not sure what your goal is today. Perhaps to try to put me and some others into a box. With that box consisting of people not being worth consideration because we dare question the elites. You are not a neutral observer only interested in the facts in any sense.
Wanna bet those you champion do not have a financial interest in the agenda you favor?
You're the one who said, "The top people in charge are supposed to filter out the BS before they make announcements. Their statements ought not be part of some political advantage agenda or some money making agenda, but such seem to have been the case with the virus itself."
The most charitable interpretation of the "bleach and disinfectant" press conference was that he was riffing. You know, not filtering out BS before making an announcement, as you described it. If he had some questions about the random possible treatments he was asking about, someplace other than the live, national briefing on the pandemic would have been better.
I'll let you read who was funding - or as you put it, had some money making agenda - around hydroxychloroquine: "A..."dark money” group that received funding from the pharmaceutical industry’s largest trade organization pushed <the> President to use unproven antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 and make it more widely available." https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/04/dark-money-groups-pushed-trump-to-back-hydroxychloroquine/
Do you question the elite airline pilot when she's flying an airplane? How about the doctor when he's doing surgery? We should similarly listen to our nation's infectious disease and public health scientists during a pandemic. As convincing as cable news hosts might be...
The most charitable interpretation of the "bleach and disinfectant" press conference was that he was riffing. You know, not filtering out BS before making an announcement, as you described it. If he had some questions about the random possible treatments he was asking about, someplace other than the live, national briefing on the pandemic would have been better.
I'll let you read who was funding - or as you put it, had some money making agenda - around hydroxychloroquine: "A..."dark money” group that received funding from the pharmaceutical industry’s largest trade organization pushed <the> President to use unproven antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 and make it more widely available." https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2020/04/dark-money-groups-pushed-trump-to-back-hydroxychloroquine/
Do you question the elite airline pilot when she's flying an airplane? How about the doctor when he's doing surgery? We should similarly listen to our nation's infectious disease and public health scientists during a pandemic. As convincing as cable news hosts might be...
I want to apologize for calling dogofwar a fool. That was unnecessarily harsh in light of the situation. I am sorry. It was wrong.
And I was wrong.
Dogofwar is a savvy and avid agitator, and the name is a dead giveaway, as it tells us his game right up front.
He comes to make war.
And I was wrong.
Dogofwar is a savvy and avid agitator, and the name is a dead giveaway, as it tells us his game right up front.
He comes to make war.
Hello; This is an interesting spin job. I figure any who reads your post will see the angle. When you realize it is foolish to diss a person for asking a question as you have been doing for some time now, you resort to being a critic of the time and place.
It is unfortunate the anti media used there own false spin and made it seem he had told people to drink bleach for political reasons. They could have told the story as it actually happened and maybe some of the folks you appeared to be concerned about would not have used bleach. Or they could have just left the story alone and the idea would have never had traction. But like so many spin jobs during the time, nothing was off limits.
Hello; Interesting spin again. Note -I did not read the link yet. So some group was pushing a cheap drug that's been around nearly 70 years. A drug likely with generic status. A drug with well known side effects, all to make money. Let me think. Which clinical drug actually got approval? Oh yeah, remdisivere (sp). A new drug likely still under patent and very much more expensive per dose. I did notice this irony, did you?
Hello; No I do not question a pilot as his behind is in the same plane right along with me. I do question a doctor with regard to surgery and have done so. I went to three doctors before letting one operate on my knee. I even used magic marker to write wrong knee on the good one and bad knee on the bad one. Had I allowed the first doctor to move my kneecap I would not have had the torn meniscus repaired. I see stories of doctors operating on the wrong body part from time to time. Last one was an amputation as I recall.
Let me make the point again. Had the experts and authorities done things right during the pandemic and the lockdowns I would not have any reason to question what happened. Had they been truthful all along then I and many others would not have doubts every time they make a new announcement. Had the pandemic and lockdowns not been political fodder I and many others would still trust the authorities and media. How does the old saying go? They made their own bed, now they will have to lie in it.
Either that or it was my call sign in the military 
The easiest approach to our confusing, frustrating and polarized times is to characterize all politicians, scientists, business people, experts, media, etc. as corrupt, idiotic, useless and otherwise full of BS. Throw them all out and install someone who is an "outsider"... a "disruptor"... and do your own research based on "common sense" and Youtube videos of "real Americans" who have similarly "done the research" on Youtube, right?!
Unfortunately that approach favors those seeking to spread misinformation. In the case of vaccine misinformation, it's literally what the Russian intel services are doing: "Russian Disinformation Campaign Aims to Undermine Confidence in Pfizer, Other Covid-19 Vaccines, U.S. Officials Say
Websites linked to Russian intelligence services publish false information questioning vaccines’ safety, efficacy" https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia...vid-19-vaccines-u-s-officials-say-11615129200
The antidote to this isn't blindly following a politician or scientist for that matter; it's to listen to actual clinicians and scientists (they're also not all the same, of course) - to know their backgrounds, conflicts of interest, if any, and to have some faith in the peer review process, as imperfect as it is. Scientists have every incentive to demonstrate that past science is incorrect or off base. Credibly (and replicably) doing this is the path to publication, recognition, promotion, funding, etc. The idea that there is a world-wide cabal hiding science about masks, COVID vaccines or hydrochloroquine is bunk. And when political operatives tried to interfere with the science that the CDC was publishing in the MMWR, they screamed blood murder (and blew the whistle): https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3589
The easiest approach to our confusing, frustrating and polarized times is to characterize all politicians, scientists, business people, experts, media, etc. as corrupt, idiotic, useless and otherwise full of BS. Throw them all out and install someone who is an "outsider"... a "disruptor"... and do your own research based on "common sense" and Youtube videos of "real Americans" who have similarly "done the research" on Youtube, right?!
Unfortunately that approach favors those seeking to spread misinformation. In the case of vaccine misinformation, it's literally what the Russian intel services are doing: "Russian Disinformation Campaign Aims to Undermine Confidence in Pfizer, Other Covid-19 Vaccines, U.S. Officials Say
Websites linked to Russian intelligence services publish false information questioning vaccines’ safety, efficacy" https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia...vid-19-vaccines-u-s-officials-say-11615129200
The antidote to this isn't blindly following a politician or scientist for that matter; it's to listen to actual clinicians and scientists (they're also not all the same, of course) - to know their backgrounds, conflicts of interest, if any, and to have some faith in the peer review process, as imperfect as it is. Scientists have every incentive to demonstrate that past science is incorrect or off base. Credibly (and replicably) doing this is the path to publication, recognition, promotion, funding, etc. The idea that there is a world-wide cabal hiding science about masks, COVID vaccines or hydrochloroquine is bunk. And when political operatives tried to interfere with the science that the CDC was publishing in the MMWR, they screamed blood murder (and blew the whistle): https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3589
What was "done things right during the pandemic and lockdowns"?
According to the British Medical Journal, the Lancet: 40% of the US deaths from COVID were avoidable.
slate.com
"The British medical journal the Lancet, on Wednesday, published a damning assessment of <the former guy's> presidency and its impact on Americans’ health, concluding that 40 percent of the nearly 500,000 COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. over the past year were avoidable. The journal came to the conclusion by comparing the U.S. health outcomes on the coronavirus—the country leads the world in COVID deaths and confirmed cases with more than 27 million—with the weighted average of other G-7 nations. So it’s not a wildly abstract conclusion to draw: the U.S. could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives if it had just performed similarly to its economic peers."
Countries like Australia, New Zealand and South Korea far outperformed us.
According to the British Medical Journal, the Lancet: 40% of the US deaths from COVID were avoidable.
Lancet Study Finds 40 Percent of U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Could Have Been Avoided
The report assailed Trump but also emphasized that America’s destructive health policy decisions predated him.
"The British medical journal the Lancet, on Wednesday, published a damning assessment of <the former guy's> presidency and its impact on Americans’ health, concluding that 40 percent of the nearly 500,000 COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. over the past year were avoidable. The journal came to the conclusion by comparing the U.S. health outcomes on the coronavirus—the country leads the world in COVID deaths and confirmed cases with more than 27 million—with the weighted average of other G-7 nations. So it’s not a wildly abstract conclusion to draw: the U.S. could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives if it had just performed similarly to its economic peers."
Countries like Australia, New Zealand and South Korea far outperformed us.
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