How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?

[dogofwar]

"This fellow invented the process being used to make a new sort of vaccine. I get you do not think they are experimental, but the man who made them possible does."

"Experimental" is an inflammatory word, used presumably to create doubt that the COVID vaccines underwent the same testing, review and approval process as vaccines developed outside of a pandemic. That Malone was on a cable news talk show known for spreading inflamatory (and racist, of course) falsehoods and not participating in rigorous science is probably why he was imprecise in his words. But who knows.

Here's a fact check of a Facebook post seeking to spread such misinformation:

Claims that COVID-19 vaccines are “experimental”, have skipped animal testing and have not completed initial research trials are false. They were included in a Facebook post addressed in this check. 

Here's the rest: https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...y-have-not-skipped-trial-stages-idUSL1N2M70MW

 

[skjl47]

Maybe the FDA should turn over the vaccine approval process to the guy who invented the special glass vials for the COVID vaccine (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55808640)... He and Malone could decide for us all, right?!

Hello; Sad in a way this is what you got from my post. My point was the inventor of the process which allows to vaccines to be made ought not to have his opinion dismissed out of hand. Not that he should be the top authority on the virus and vaccines. He may not be the authority about a virus, but about the vaccines his opinion ought to carry some weight.
For those who may be trying to follow this bit of conversation between me and dog. The specific topic was about my earlier opinion on who should take a vaccine and who might consider skipping a vaccine. I did a search and found a comment made by the inventor of the vaccine process. This was to be a more select discussion about taking a vaccine.

 

[dogofwar]

What I got from your post is that you're digging to find people who are promoting vaccine hesitancy - overstating the risks and underplaying the benefits.

In the 1980s Malone developed a process that's now being used as one aspect of production of some of the COVID vaccines. That's a very different area of expertise than the worked on the actual COVID vaccines that have been approved or the people who are working as part of the FDA and CDC Advisory Committees on approval and recommendations around who should get vaccinated. If Malone wants to be a good-faith participant in this, he should participate in science rather than cable tv news criticism.

Here's an article about one of the actual designers of one of the vaccines working to REDUCE vaccine hesitancy, dispel misinformation and get people vaccinated:

This COVID-vaccine designer is tackling vaccine hesitancy — in churches and on Twitter
Immunologist Kizzmekia Corbett helped to design the Moderna vaccine. Now she volunteers her time talking about vaccine science with people of colour.

COVID-vaccine designer tackles hesitancy — in churches and on Twitter

Immunologist Kizzmekia Corbett helped to design the Moderna vaccine. Now she volunteers her time talking about vaccine science with people of colour.

www.nature.com

Hello; Sad in a way this is what you got from my post. My point was the inventor of the process which allows to vaccines to be made ought not to have his opinion dismissed out of hand. Not that he should be the top authority on the virus and vaccines. He may not be the authority about a virus, but about the vaccines his opinion ought to carry some weight.
For those who may be trying to follow this bit of conversation between me and dog. The specific topic was about my earlier opinion on who should take a vaccine and who might consider skipping a vaccine. I did a search and found a comment made by the inventor of the vaccine process. This was to be a more select discussion about taking a vaccine.

 

[skjl47]

If Malone wants to be a good-faith participant in this, he should participate in science rather than cable tv news criticism.

Hello; So if by extension I apply this logic, then anyone, scientist or expert, who appears on cable TV news is not acting in good faith? This will be bad news for the Fauci supporters.

Interesting, I would imagine even those active in labs and research take breaks. You know vacations, days off work, bathroom breaks and more. Maybe he is still active in science for all I know.

But I do get your take. Any scientist, authority, author, expert or fish forum poster who supports your point of view is credible. Any scientist, authority, author, expert or fish forum poster who does not support your view is not acting in good faith. Woe be upon us lesser beings who haunt fish forums who have the gall to question you or your favored authorities. We should just be obedient and take your opinion as derived from your favored authorities as the gospel on the virus.

 

[dogofwar]

The main difference is that some scientists are doing relevant and recent work in the area and others are not. And don't we want the scientists sharing the latest science?

 

[dogofwar]

That's the thing: That people over 12 should get vaccinated is MY point of view because it is the view that is supported by the CDC and other rigorous science.

The scientists on the CDC and FDA Advisory Boards and workgroups who make decisions around authorization and use of COVID vaccines (and other recommendations) aren't just spit balling or watching cable news personalities to make decisions. They're receiving data and information on the vaccines in what is probably the most intense safety monitoring program in U.S. history: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.html?s_cid=10507:safest covid vaccine:sem.ga:RG:GM:genTN:FY21

If there's data that requires consideration - for example the data about myocarditis - they're incorporating it into their decision-making. Their job isn't to promote a particular vaccine; it's to keep Americans safe. And misinformation and disinformation about vaccines makes their job harder.

There is no shortage of misinformation and disinformation that is being spread about COVID vaccines, much of it in bad faith: "Researchers have found just 12 people are responsible for the bulk of the misleading claims and outright lies about COVID-19 vaccines that proliferate on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. "The 'Disinformation Dozen' produce 65% of the shares of anti-vaccine misinformation on social media platforms," said Imran Ahmed, chief executive officer of the Center for Countering Digital Hate, which identified the accounts." (https://www.npr.org/2021/05/13/9965...books-twitters-ability-to-curb-vaccine-hoaxes)

In addition, the Russians and Chinese are targeting us with COVID vaccine misinformation and disinformation: "The United States has identified three online publications directed by Russia’s intelligence services that it says are seeking to undermine COVID-19 vaccines produced by Pfizer and Moderna, a State Department spokeswoman said on Sunday." (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...covid-19-vaccine-disinformation-idUSKBN2B0016)

Echoing this BS - whether it's because folks aren't aware of the real science that's going on...or to score political points - is keeping us from beating the pandemic and moving on with our lives.

But I do get your take. Any scientist, authority, author, expert or fish forum poster who supports your point of view is credible. Any scientist, authority, author, expert or fish forum poster who does not support your view is not acting in good faith. Woe be upon us lesser beings who haunt fish forums who have the gall to question you or your favored authorities. We should just be obedient and take your opinion as derived from your favored authorities as the gospel on the virus.

 

[skjl47]

Data from 487,711 deaths. Age group was available for 487,675 (99%) deaths.

Age Group	Percentage of deaths	Count of deaths	Percent of US population
0-4 Years	<0.1	154	6
5-17 Years	0.1	308	16.3
18-29 Years	0.5	2,592	16.4
30-39 Years	1.2	5,981	13.5

That's the thing: That people over 12 should get vaccinated is MY point of view because it is the view that is supported by the CDC and other rigorous science.

Hello; Thing is I do not use facebook, twitter, instagram or any of those web sites. Never have. It may be a novel concept to you but I think about things and make up may own mind. Being alive for 73 years and paying attention helps some also.

The word has been out for some time about the virus. Those who are old and those who have some serious health problems are the much more likely to have a bad outcome from this virus infection. The very young and healthy have the least risk.

The naturally immune from having survived the infection do not need a vaccine. This is not a new thing. Such has been the case for viral illness long before the novel corona virus came along.

That I am a lowly former biology teacher does not count in your world as you have so often made sure to let be known. But for me personally having such a background helps me wade thru the BS as you put it. I present opinions here and try to back the opinions with considered statements. I also use factual information such as the snippet from the CDC above. I do not have children so will not have to make a decision about a vaccine for a child. I will not tell a parent to skip the vaccine for a child. I will not tell a parent they have to get a vaccine for a child. They need to make up their own mind and do not need me preaching at them. Back when I was young there was a truly scary virus going around, Polio. I knew a relative who had that disease. I saw her thru a window in an iron lung. I was not allowed in the same room with her. When i was under ten years ( second or third grade) old my entire grade school was hauled in produce trucks to a school gym. They gave us kids shots of polio vaccine. It was fun to se some of the kids faint. I held up OK. I did not cry nor raise a fuss. The nurses had a way to hold us so we could not move much. The next couple of school days we boys would sneak a punch on the sore arms of each other. Not as much fun as it sounds now, but we did it. Later when the polio vaccine was in a sugar cube my mom had me take that also. No schools were closed and no lockdowns during that time. To me polio was a much worse disease than the covid19 is now. So you go on being the obedient one and I will continue to think for myself.

 

[dogofwar]

We are awash in disinformation and misinformation that's aimed at disrupting our response to COVID-19 and otherwise hobbling us. All I keep saying is that we should listen to the experts on these issues.

COVID and polio are different. The polio virus is carried in feces and primarily infects young children after they touch contaminated water or dirt and then put their fingers in their mouths. From there, the virus can invade the brain and spinal cord, leading to paralysis and, in some cases, death. Adults are less at risk of infection, because of less exposure to the sewage and a greater likelihood of being vaccinated.

That's entirely different than a respiratory virus like COVID-19.

 

[pacu mom]

WHO urges fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks as delta Covid variant spreads

"People cannot feel safe just because they had the two doses. They still need to protect themselves," WHO official Dr. Mariangela Simao told reporters.

www.cnbc.com

I wonder when CDC will change its masking guidelines for vaccinated individuals?



A week ago I was in a hardware store (in a red neck community) where NONE of the employees were wearing masks. I asked an employee, "I see that none of you are wearing masks. Are all of you vaccinated?" She said "no", and that the owner had called and said none of them had to wear masks.

 

[skjl47]

WHO urges fully vaccinated people to continue to wear masks as delta Covid variant spreads

"People cannot feel safe just because they had the two doses. They still need to protect themselves," WHO official Dr. Mariangela Simao told reporters.

www.cnbc.com

I wonder when CDC will change its masking guidelines for vaccinated individuals?



A week ago I was in a hardware store (in a red neck community) where NONE of the employees were wearing masks. I asked an employee, "I see that none of you are wearing masks. Are all of you vaccinated?" She said "no", and that the owner had called and said none of them had to wear masks.

Hello; if you are vaccinated then there should not be any personal risk for you. I live in "redneck" country and do know you can find vaccinated people wearing a mask. There is one young lady at a store/ gas station who still wears a mask. I am vaccinated and go maskless all the time anymore.

Having vaccinated folks continue to mask is something like having people put sunscreen on indoors. It makes no sense medically.