How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?

[pacu mom]

Declining a booster shot will not enable some one in another country to get vaccinated. Perhaps I have an "entitlement" issue. I would no more refuse a booster shot than I would refuse my social security payments saying, "Oh no, give the money to some one else who is more needy than me."

 

[RD.]

Anyway there now is starting to be evidence that natural immunity is indeed good and robust. This was expected to be the case based on how disease reactions have been understood for a long time before the new virus came along. Not a surprise to me.

Natural immunity from the initial 2 strains is not enough to combat the Delta strain. We've already had a local 33 year old survive the first/second strain easily and recover really fast (according to family members), and then die last month from Delta because of lack of immunization (eventually passed away 5 days after being admitted to the hospital). I'm sure there are going to be more cases of those initially sick in 2020 with naturally immunity to the early versions, becoming sick again from Delta or later strains. We're already seeing more cases of children getting COVID and hospitalized as they become more exposed.

For many infectious diseases, naturally acquired immunity is known to be more powerful than vaccine induced immunity and quite often it lasts a lifetime. Yes, if only it were true (it's not) and anyone who had any strain of covid, would then have lifetime immunity for that initial strain, and for all strains that surface later. It simply does not appear to work that way, for this particular coronavirus.

 

[RD.]

Declining a booster shot will not enable some one in another country to get vaccinated.

Exactly.

 

[skjl47]

Declining a booster shot will not enable some one in another country to get vaccinated. Perhaps I have an "entitlement" issue. I would no more refuse a booster shot than I would refuse my social security payments saying, "Oh no, give the money to some one else who is more needy than me."

Hello; Among the points for refusing extra shots is the concept of keeping the virus from having a place to go. If I got one shot and someone else got the second shot that is two people with some protection. If all the millions who have had two shots had instead only had one then many more millions could be partly protected by now.

In some ways it is a numbers game. In a way my argument is weakened by the fact the shots have limited effectivness. ( holes in them). As it is turning out the shots do not stop the virus after all. Seem to give survivability when infected in terms of milder symptoms. Had the shots been as good as hoped for the story would be different.

I guess we could isolate the country by stopping all travel from other places and inject the population. Tie up the unwilling and give them the jab. Maybe gag them so we do not have to hear them say no. Maybe just build camps to keep them in is another choice. Can't give the unvaccinated and unmasked the right to refuse and still be walking around among the vaccinated, can we. The rights of the vaccinated and masked trump their rights.

That a person who has had two shots already and has some level of protection, even if it is weakened a tad, could refuse a third so another might get one jab and have some protection makes sense to me. I do not plan to get a third jab. It will be a shame if my third jab is thrown in the trash.

Another point is that the many people who cannot get a vaccine currently are not separate and isolated from the rest of us. It will not matter how many boosters we get, at some point the virus will outrun them among all those who cannot get even one shot. Let me use a climate change point as an example. Say my country cleans up it's act and we no longer pollute. The air moves all over the globe. Someone else's pollution will make it's way to us.
We have, so far over a million , reported to have crossed the southern border in less than a year. We have many thousands being flown in from far away. It is known these folks have been infected in some numbers. So we are not isolated at all and that does not include air travel.

Do what you can live with. I think I can live with myself if I skip an extra jab.

 

[pacu mom]

My community is making the news, but not in a good way. This is actually an "old" article. Three more people died today bringing our death count to 30. The deaths do not reflect those who were flown out to Portland OR hospitals and other places and died there.

Mortuaries fill, hospitals clog in rural California towns with low vaccination rates

Rural Del Norte County has more people hospitalized with COVID-19 than at any other point in the pandemic. Its only hospital is overwhelmed.

www.latimes.com

 

[celebrist]

Some people are likely going to need a booster twice a year it seems, others are going to be able to shrug it off with nothing apparently. We are all unique creations that respond to this differently

 

[Jexnell]

Oregon reports 2,352 new COVID cases, 47 more deaths

As of Sept. 8, Oregon has reported 291,978 total COVID-19 cases and 3,373 deaths in the state.

www.kgw.com

And yet another country ask for refrigerator trucks due to the number of deaths.

Cowlitz County asks for morgue truck as COVID deaths continue to rise

Coroner Tim Davidson said the morgue and the county’s funeral homes are maxed out on capacity and are “being creative” to maintain cold storage.

www.kgw.com

 

[celebrist]

Analysis of the Effects of COVID-19 Mask Mandates on Hospital Resource Consumption and Mortality at the County Level - PMC

Coronavirus disease 2019 has continued to spread despite measures put in place to help slow the spread. It remains unclear which measures are effective. Data guiding policymakers on efficacy will help focus efforts. We found that mask orders were ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Nit pick away, or shoot the messenger

Internal Documents Further Contradict Fauci’s ‘Gain-of-Function’ Research Denials

New documents appear to contradict Anthony Fauci's claims that the NIH did not fund gain-of-function research on bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

news.yahoo.com

 

[RD.]

From the first link; " We have several limitations to our study that we must acknowledge. First, we are only assessing the effect of the mask order itself. In other words, we are not able to assess the actual mask use because we do not have data on adherence to the mask order. Although we adjusted our model for public health complaint calls, we do not have a direct measure of wear. "

Well doh! They then go on to list a long list of limitations. What is that supposed to prove, other than their study doesn't prove much of anything? The fact that they were unable to detect a reduction in per-population daily mortality, hospital bed, ICU bed, or ventilator occupancy attributable to the implementation of a mask order, does not mean that a reduction didn't take place.

And to add to that, as stated time & time again in this topic, a mask only works IF it's a proper mask (not some paper thin camo neckerchief), and IF it is worn properly, as in actually covering the mouth and nose. Yesterday I had to catch a cab, in a city that has a mask mandate - the moron only had it across his mouth, while he breathed through his nose. WTF? I rolled the backseat windows down. I also saw numerous masks that would have been lucky to stop 20% of any sized droplet, but the vast majority seemed like quality masks, and were being worn properly. Maybe that wasn't the case in the Bexar County study, perhaps Bexar County has a higher ratio of morons vs non-morons, compared to where I live?


Do I need to explain again how masks work, in a population of health care workers, when worn properly?


People are morons, and all covid has demonstrated to me is that there are FAR more morons in the world than I realized.

 

[celebrist]

I knew I could count on you