How has the coronavirus affected your personal life?
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Hello; Thanks
altums85
for the link.
Explosive Truth About Vaccines & COVID w/Inventor Of mRNA Vaccine Technology Dr. Robert Malone - Jimmy Dore Show : conspiracy (reddit.com)
Hello; The above link is a video. It is long, over an hour. Well worth a watch anyway. The guest speaker is Dr. Robert Malone who apparently has been involved or is the person who pioneered the mRNA technology used in the mRNA vaccines.
I watched the video and took some notes using time at a guide starting about at 27 minutes. Before 27 minutes there were some statements of interest.
First thing that caught my ear in the first minutes is that when the instructions for making copies of the covid virus protein spike were put together they did not make close copies of the actual virus protein spike. The vaccine spikes are modified from the actual virus spikes. This troubled Dr. Malone for a reason he mention, but I did not catch. Perhaps one of you can give more information.
Next was a list of possible risks that were/are known of the vaccines. Birth defects; cardiac risk and reactivation of dormant virus. This caught my attention because my brother had shingles after the shots.
Dr. Malone has a philosophy. Something like the rights of the collective do not outweigh the rights of the individual. Based on comments I figure some do not favor this.
Dr. Malone stated he thinks the vaccinated who get the virus anyway are super-spreaders. He explains how he figures this works.
He calls the vaccines “leaky vaccines” with ability to prevent infection at between 40 to 60%.
At around 27 minutes – Talking about too many booster shots might lead to a problem in our immune system he called High Zone Tolerance. Too much vaccine can turn off immune system. Need to find out more about this.
At around 32 minutes – That giving out vaccines to people in large numbers when a virus is actively circulating is not a good practice.
At around 39 minutes- A long discussion about ivermectin starts. Ivermectin is on WHO list of essential medicines.
At around 42 minutes – reference to NIH study. NIH Chest Infections: Original Research/ Vol 159, issue 1, P89-92 January 01, 2021
At around 45 minutes – Rolling Stone story
At around 53 minutes- NIH recommends study of ivermectin for covid.
At around 55 minutes – Discussion about low case numbers in Africa. Speculation about reasons. Wide use of some common drugs for other conditions maybe.
At around 58 minutes- covid is a disease of elderly and obese and more discussion about who should get shots.
At around 59 minutes- start of raw discussion about big pharma.
At around 61 minutes – 70% of FDA funded by pharma industry fees.
At around 68 minutes- Interesting “challenge –rechallenge study” Seems the military in Peru started giving ivermectin and the death rate went down. Later a new leader stopped the giving of ivermectin and the death rate went back up.
At around 71 minutes – talk about use of rapid test kits in homes.
There is a lot more than these skimpy notes indicate. Well worth the watch. Answered some of my questions. I think I better understand the whys behind some of the odd decisions that have been made and are being made. Some troubling concepts discussed.
altums85
for the link.Explosive Truth About Vaccines & COVID w/Inventor Of mRNA Vaccine Technology Dr. Robert Malone - Jimmy Dore Show : conspiracy (reddit.com)
Hello; The above link is a video. It is long, over an hour. Well worth a watch anyway. The guest speaker is Dr. Robert Malone who apparently has been involved or is the person who pioneered the mRNA technology used in the mRNA vaccines.
I watched the video and took some notes using time at a guide starting about at 27 minutes. Before 27 minutes there were some statements of interest.
First thing that caught my ear in the first minutes is that when the instructions for making copies of the covid virus protein spike were put together they did not make close copies of the actual virus protein spike. The vaccine spikes are modified from the actual virus spikes. This troubled Dr. Malone for a reason he mention, but I did not catch. Perhaps one of you can give more information.
Next was a list of possible risks that were/are known of the vaccines. Birth defects; cardiac risk and reactivation of dormant virus. This caught my attention because my brother had shingles after the shots.
Dr. Malone has a philosophy. Something like the rights of the collective do not outweigh the rights of the individual. Based on comments I figure some do not favor this.
Dr. Malone stated he thinks the vaccinated who get the virus anyway are super-spreaders. He explains how he figures this works.
He calls the vaccines “leaky vaccines” with ability to prevent infection at between 40 to 60%.
At around 27 minutes – Talking about too many booster shots might lead to a problem in our immune system he called High Zone Tolerance. Too much vaccine can turn off immune system. Need to find out more about this.
At around 32 minutes – That giving out vaccines to people in large numbers when a virus is actively circulating is not a good practice.
At around 39 minutes- A long discussion about ivermectin starts. Ivermectin is on WHO list of essential medicines.
At around 42 minutes – reference to NIH study. NIH Chest Infections: Original Research/ Vol 159, issue 1, P89-92 January 01, 2021
At around 45 minutes – Rolling Stone story
At around 53 minutes- NIH recommends study of ivermectin for covid.
At around 55 minutes – Discussion about low case numbers in Africa. Speculation about reasons. Wide use of some common drugs for other conditions maybe.
At around 58 minutes- covid is a disease of elderly and obese and more discussion about who should get shots.
At around 59 minutes- start of raw discussion about big pharma.
At around 61 minutes – 70% of FDA funded by pharma industry fees.
At around 68 minutes- Interesting “challenge –rechallenge study” Seems the military in Peru started giving ivermectin and the death rate went down. Later a new leader stopped the giving of ivermectin and the death rate went back up.
At around 71 minutes – talk about use of rapid test kits in homes.
There is a lot more than these skimpy notes indicate. Well worth the watch. Answered some of my questions. I think I better understand the whys behind some of the odd decisions that have been made and are being made. Some troubling concepts discussed.
The Long-Term Dangers of Experimental mRNA Shots - LewRockwell
Hello; Found a possible answer to some of my question about the way the vaccines do not build exact copies of the actual virus spike protein. It is a technical link and will require some study to get all the information down.
I am not super confident in my take on why the spike protein is modified but think at least one reason is a modification can allow for an increase in the total number of copies of the modified spike protein than can be made by a cell.
Other reasons for the modifications will require another look or two.
There is some disturbing speculation with regard to how the mRNA shots might cause problems. Three hit home for me. The reactivation of other virus is one. I have already mentioned how my brother had a shingles episode after the shots. The link mentions the herpes virus. I had a fever blister on my lip after the shots.
I also had a nerve issue for a while in my back which was not anything like any back problem I have had before. The other thing was that I noticed my brother has developed a slight tremor in his hands. I do hope the other more dire speculated predictions do not prove to be true.
I will keep looking for information on the thinking behind modified spike proteins in the vaccine function.
Hello; Found a possible answer to some of my question about the way the vaccines do not build exact copies of the actual virus spike protein. It is a technical link and will require some study to get all the information down.
I am not super confident in my take on why the spike protein is modified but think at least one reason is a modification can allow for an increase in the total number of copies of the modified spike protein than can be made by a cell.
Other reasons for the modifications will require another look or two.
There is some disturbing speculation with regard to how the mRNA shots might cause problems. Three hit home for me. The reactivation of other virus is one. I have already mentioned how my brother had a shingles episode after the shots. The link mentions the herpes virus. I had a fever blister on my lip after the shots.
I also had a nerve issue for a while in my back which was not anything like any back problem I have had before. The other thing was that I noticed my brother has developed a slight tremor in his hands. I do hope the other more dire speculated predictions do not prove to be true.
I will keep looking for information on the thinking behind modified spike proteins in the vaccine function.
Lol……. Seriously, do some fact checking kids.
healthfeedback.org
“I did not develop mRNA COVID vaccines and I never was involved in developing a human mRNA vaccine,” Malone told The Associated Press.
Malone further clarified in an email that he never said that the COVID-19 vaccines should not be administered.
apnews.com
Theres plenty more, took me less than 5 minutes to find this info, and less than 30 minutes to determine how much I would trust anything that this brainiac has to say about anything.
www.theatlantic.com
btw - that video was posted by super George several days ago, in this thread. Lol
IMO this falls under, there’s a sucker born every minute. Thank god we have Jeff here to explain all about the pitfalls of vaccines. Lmao ?
The development of mRNA vaccines was a collaborative effort; Robert Malone contributed to their development, but he is not their inventor
Like many technologies, the development of the mRNA vaccines was a collaborative effort that spanned a number of research institutes, three decades of work, and hundreds of researchers. Robert Malone contributed to the early development of this vaccine technology, however he is not the sole...
“I did not develop mRNA COVID vaccines and I never was involved in developing a human mRNA vaccine,” Malone told The Associated Press.
Malone further clarified in an email that he never said that the COVID-19 vaccines should not be administered.
Video clip of Ohio school board meeting spreads vaccine falsehoods
While Malone has publicly criticized COVID-19 vaccines and claims to have invented the idea of mRNA vaccine technology, he was not involved in the development of COVID-19 vaccines.
apnews.com
Theres plenty more, took me less than 5 minutes to find this info, and less than 30 minutes to determine how much I would trust anything that this brainiac has to say about anything.
The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation
Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use?
btw - that video was posted by super George several days ago, in this thread. Lol
IMO this falls under, there’s a sucker born every minute. Thank god we have Jeff here to explain all about the pitfalls of vaccines. Lmao ?
Lol……. Seriously, do some fact checking kids.
The development of mRNA vaccines was a collaborative effort; Robert Malone contributed to their development, but he is not their inventor
Like many technologies, the development of the mRNA vaccines was a collaborative effort that spanned a number of research institutes, three decades of work, and hundreds of researchers. Robert Malone contributed to the early development of this vaccine technology, however he is not the sole...
“I did not develop mRNA COVID vaccines and I never was involved in developing a human mRNA vaccine,” Malone told The Associated Press.
Malone further clarified in an email that he never said that the COVID-19 vaccines should not be administered.
Video clip of Ohio school board meeting spreads vaccine falsehoods
While Malone has publicly criticized COVID-19 vaccines and claims to have invented the idea of mRNA vaccine technology, he was not involved in the development of COVID-19 vaccines.
Theres plenty more, took me less than 5 minutes to find this info, and less than 30 minutes to determine how much I would trust anything that this brainiac has to say about anything.
The Vaccine Scientist Spreading Vaccine Misinformation
Robert Malone claims to have invented mRNA technology. Why is he trying so hard to undermine its use?
btw - that video was posted by super George several days ago, in this thread. Lol
IMO this falls under, there’s a sucker born every minute. Thank god we have Jeff here to explain all about the pitfalls of vaccines. Lmao ?
Hello; So you have responded as expected. I made the above comment. He was involved. As usual anything that goes against or even hints at going against the agenda you favor gets the same treatment.
I am looking for answers and will continue to do so. Best I can recall you objected when I took the stance that natural immunity is good enough. Now there is information to support that. Go figure.
No need to shout down everything I post. I already can figure it into things. There are others posting on this thread who may be looking for answers.
There is "evidence" to support pretty much everything that one wants to support, regarding anything in life. Any fool knows that, you don't have to keep repeating the mantra. If I looked hard enough I could probably provide evidence from some fool on how good a **** sandwich tastes. But it's about the quality of the evidence - such as believing every whack job that provides so called evidence on some fringe media podcast show.
In this case, the evidence, now that the back story surrounding this scientist has been brought to light, seems much clearer - this scientist appears to feel slighted by his peers. It seems he possibly wants more fame & fortune, than what he achieved so far in his career. Most credible scientists/doctors, wouldn't be caught dead on some of these podcasts. But hey, lete's allow the readers to decide how credible Dr. Malone is.
Robert Malone: Vaccine Scientist, Vaccine Skeptic - The Atlantic
And once again the conspiracy theorists are grasping at straws.
I am personally sick of reading about how the real threat is the vaccine rather than the virus, which the real world data, and EVIDENCE clearly does not support. Not now, and I imagine, not ever. All that kind of empty rhetoric achieves, is creating an environment where nut jobs are fueled to do stupid things, such as storming a school and scaring the b'jesus out of a bunch of little kids.
In this case, the evidence, now that the back story surrounding this scientist has been brought to light, seems much clearer - this scientist appears to feel slighted by his peers. It seems he possibly wants more fame & fortune, than what he achieved so far in his career. Most credible scientists/doctors, wouldn't be caught dead on some of these podcasts. But hey, lete's allow the readers to decide how credible Dr. Malone is.
Robert Malone: Vaccine Scientist, Vaccine Skeptic - The Atlantic
And once again the conspiracy theorists are grasping at straws.
I am personally sick of reading about how the real threat is the vaccine rather than the virus, which the real world data, and EVIDENCE clearly does not support. Not now, and I imagine, not ever. All that kind of empty rhetoric achieves, is creating an environment where nut jobs are fueled to do stupid things, such as storming a school and scaring the b'jesus out of a bunch of little kids.
BTW - what is my so called agenda?
I don't care if you get vaccinated, or if anyone else on this forum does. I also don't care if you wear a mask in public, or if any of the anti-vaxers do. All I ask of anti-maskers is to stay clear of me. With the exception of 1 individual, that hasn't been a problem thus far. I guess I am an easy person to read for most. Pay attention, I have already stated that. I am obviously not holding a gun to anyone's head, regarding anything. I am also not getting paid for my time, such as many of the covid celebrities' now are. No podcast interviews for me. lol
My only agenda has been to fact check the facts.
The tangled history of mRNA vaccines (nature.com)
Today’s mRNA jabs have innovations that were invented years after Malone’s time in the lab, including chemically modified RNA and different types of fat bubble to ferry them into cells (see ‘Inside an mRNA COVID vaccine’). Still, Malone, who calls himself the “inventor of mRNA vaccines”, thinks his work hasn’t been given enough credit. “I’ve been written out of history,” he told Nature.
The debate over who deserves credit for pioneering the technology is heating up as awards start rolling out — and the speculation is getting more intense in advance of the Nobel prize announcements next month. But formal prizes restricted to only a few scientists will fail to recognize the many contributors to mRNA’s medical development. In reality, the path to mRNA vaccines drew on the work of hundreds of researchers over more than 30 years.
Malone contends that Verma and Vical struck a back-room deal so that the relevant intellectual property went to Vical. Malone was listed as one inventor among several, but he no longer stood to profit personally from subsequent licensing deals, as he would have from any Salk-issued patents. Malone’s conclusion: “They got rich on the products of my mind.”
Verma and Felgner categorically deny Malone’s charges. “It’s complete nonsense,” Verma told Nature. The decision to drop the patent application rested with the Salk’s technology-transfer office, he says.
Malone left Vical in August 1989, citing disagreements with Felgner over “scientific judgment” and “credit for my intellectual contributions”.
Although some involved in mRNA’s development, including Malone, think they deserve more recognition, others are more willing to share the limelight. “You really can’t claim credit,” says Cullis. When it comes to his lipid delivery system, for instance, “we’re talking hundreds, probably thousands of people who have been working together to make these LNP systems so that they’re actually ready for prime time.”
Seeking fame? Seeking fortune?
Sounds about right.
Today’s mRNA jabs have innovations that were invented years after Malone’s time in the lab, including chemically modified RNA and different types of fat bubble to ferry them into cells (see ‘Inside an mRNA COVID vaccine’). Still, Malone, who calls himself the “inventor of mRNA vaccines”, thinks his work hasn’t been given enough credit. “I’ve been written out of history,” he told Nature.
The debate over who deserves credit for pioneering the technology is heating up as awards start rolling out — and the speculation is getting more intense in advance of the Nobel prize announcements next month. But formal prizes restricted to only a few scientists will fail to recognize the many contributors to mRNA’s medical development. In reality, the path to mRNA vaccines drew on the work of hundreds of researchers over more than 30 years.
Malone contends that Verma and Vical struck a back-room deal so that the relevant intellectual property went to Vical. Malone was listed as one inventor among several, but he no longer stood to profit personally from subsequent licensing deals, as he would have from any Salk-issued patents. Malone’s conclusion: “They got rich on the products of my mind.”
Verma and Felgner categorically deny Malone’s charges. “It’s complete nonsense,” Verma told Nature. The decision to drop the patent application rested with the Salk’s technology-transfer office, he says.
Malone left Vical in August 1989, citing disagreements with Felgner over “scientific judgment” and “credit for my intellectual contributions”.
Although some involved in mRNA’s development, including Malone, think they deserve more recognition, others are more willing to share the limelight. “You really can’t claim credit,” says Cullis. When it comes to his lipid delivery system, for instance, “we’re talking hundreds, probably thousands of people who have been working together to make these LNP systems so that they’re actually ready for prime time.”
Seeking fame? Seeking fortune?
Sounds about right.
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Hello; two fairly simple ways to help would be to fully authorize all the mRNA vaccines, not just the one. Also to attach liability to the shots for the pharma who makes them, the companies who distribute them and those who administer them.
To be more correct I have been looking into how the mRNA vaccines work and happen to find some concerns expressed about the vaccines. I am not looking to find that the vaccines are worse than the illness. I am finding some links with a technical discussion for things I have seen personally in myself and my family. When my brother told me about having shingles after the shots, I dismissed it as odd timing. Now i find sources about this with two sources having a reasonable sounding technical explainition and only one of them was Dr. Malone. On top of the shingles I personally had a a fever blister after the shots ( herpes virus).
That the information I post should be subject to being corrected and is what I want. I want to have a reasonable explaination of why something some author says about the shots is wrong. Why is it that the links are incorrect when they predict shingles and herpes outbreaks after the shots and i see those things personally? What I get from you is an attack against Dr. Malone in this particular case. Not a discussion of what he stated and statements he made which were echoed in a second link by different people.
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