how to identify liquid kok from hard kok?????

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Except it is in their genes to hibernate and not eat well for months. You are comparing a natural fish that has been surviving in frozen ponds 1/3 of the year for centuries (if not longer) with a man-made hybrid that only knows the constant feeding and water quality that human give the fish. They aren't comparable in those terms.

YES ITS IN THEIR GENES. RIGHT? YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT!!! So they get a better outcome even if the care isnt "good" or "ideal" in our eyes correct? We would rather have them in nice temps and feed them year around yet they are dulled out because and no amount of carotenoid astaxanthin can compensate the genetics. Subjecting them to the harsh conditions is made for them to achieve their full potential while US koi only get around 90% of their potential.
 
look to china they have lived polluted air for over a decade and there doing fine.
Polluted air that is spread out over 3.748 million miles. Now take the same concentration of pollution that a fish in poor conditions will go through force a human to live in that. Second of all the people aren't doing "fine", take a quick peek at their lungs and see how "fine" it is. And finally, lets give a definition or range of poor conditions for fish. Some consider the upper limits of poor conditions to be >10 ppm of nitrates will other it is >50 ppm and other consider it to be >10 ppm of ammonia. So for the sake of this discussion lets have a range or what considered poor conditions. I say >30 ppm of nitrate is the upper limit and >10 ppm of ammonia is the lower limit (dead/ at death's door).
 
look to china they have lived polluted air for over a decade and there doing fine.
LOL wasnt there just a big goofy news thing about china telling everyone there smog wasnt smog or was good for them or something insane? Dont make me google that crap haha. Just stop please.
 
There is no extra 10% man. A fh not properly kept will never be an mp. Stunted, sickly, and short lived.

So lets have two fh's with the same genetics.

One gets premium food such as nls
Great filtration
A drip system that changes 15% a day

The other fh gets
Cheap stock food aka around 35% protein
A hob meant for the volume of the tank
Water changes once a month.

I can assure you that they will look very similar with the small variation that is minimal.
 
YES ITS IN THEIR GENES. RIGHT? YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT!!! So they get a better outcome even if the care isnt "good" or "ideal" in our eyes correct? We would rather have them in nice temps and feed them year around yet they are dulled out because and no amount of carotenoid astaxanthin can compensate the genetics. Subjecting them to the harsh conditions is made for them to achieve their full potential while US koi only get around 90% of their potential.
YES it is in the KOI's gene to survive and thrive in those conditions, but not the flowerhorn. I completely and wholeheartedly agree with you on the koi part.
 
So lets have two fh's with the same genetics.

One gets premium food such as nls
Great filtration
A drip system that changes 15% a day

The other fh gets
Cheap stock food aka around 35% protein
A hob meant for the volume of the tank
Water changes once a month.

I can assure you that they will look very similar with the small variation that is minimal.
No they wont. Growth rates will be different, they will mature in different ways. I have seen it myself in fh that I have bred and then given to people who didnt take proper care of them. Even color was worse.
 
So lets have two fh's with the same genetics.

One gets premium food such as nls
Great filtration
A drip system that changes 15% a day

The other fh gets
Cheap stock food aka around 35% protein
A hob meant for the volume of the tank
Water changes once a month.

I can assure you that they will look very similar with the small variation that is minimal.
No. genetics will only show if this is an environment suitable for it. The premium food etc flowerhorn will look far better than he cheap food one.
 
LOL wasnt there just a big goofy news thing about china telling everyone there smog wasnt smog or was good for them or something insane? Dont make me google that crap haha. Just stop please.

And there has been no solid evidence to show health problems that are to an extent of genetically being harmful. There has been many tests before the 2008 olympics and all tests concluded that it is harmful to the environment but not humans.
 
It all starts with genetics. Come on guys you all know that flowerhorns are bred for specific traits. Kok is one of those, you can get a good idea by looking at the parents.

It also has to do with hormones in the fish. For example if you introduce a mirror to the fhs tank he will become agressive and perc up releasing some type of hormone making his kok grow. Another example is when u introduce a female.
I'm not too sure on foods that have hormones as I'm totally against that.
Hope u get the idea now

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It all starts with genetics. Come on guys you all know that flowerhorns are bred for specific traits. Kok is one of those, you can get a good idea by looking at the parents.

It also has to do with hormones in the fish. For example if you introduce a mirror to the fhs tank he will become agressive and perc up releasing some type of hormone making his kok grow. Another example is when u introduce a female.
I'm not too sure on foods that have hormones as I'm totally against that.
Hope u get the idea now

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Thank you, this mirror trick has been done for as long fh's have been around. The introduction of blood parrots to have a fh dominate increases the kok size and it has been proven many times. It will not make the kok smaller unless your fh is a puss and gets beat up
 
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