Hybrids?

[Vince340]

Seems like a good conversation to ask people what they think about what this mix might be? It definitely has Dempsey in it but the jury is still out on the mate it can only be crossed between a fire mouth, black belt, vieja guttulatus or a red devil because that’s all that’s in there, besides tilapia and brim. I’m leaning towards the devil because of the elongated fins, the height and narrowness but it lacks the color of the devil (orange) just has a simalar profile. Maybe it just a gene phenom idk but what are some of your opinions? Barb was removed before hand in case it bothers anyone.

 

[Jexnell]

For hybrids some I do like, some I don't. The ones with the giant humps that look like they should make the fish flip over..... I don't care for so much. Don't get me wrong, they are cute and love thier colors and finnage. I just keep waiting for the hump to flip them over.....
There are a few that I do. That only get the normal hump, not a softball wrapped in scales glued to thier forehead.

Like others have said it does make it harder to get some strains of fish. It has it's good points to an extent. Also draw backs.
Only thing we can do is accept it as part of the hobby. We can embrace it and get your own FH, or only buy pure breed/wild from a reputable dealer.

 

[islandguy11]

Thorny issue to be sure -- while I do love some hybrids esp. Flowerhorns, and have enjoyed owning some gorgeous OB Peacock African cichlids in the past, these are what I would consider 'dedicated' and clear hybrids -- people know they're buying hybrids and appreciate them for what they are.

On the other hand I also understand those who are concerned about the muddying of species lines and irresponsible breeders or stores mislabeling or deceiving buyers.

But what's nearly as bad imho is diehards who look down on all hybrids and their owners like we're low-class if not unethical scum -- I've had some purists try talking smack about my Kamfa even though he blows away anything in their 'all natural' tanks, looks and personality wise. (wouldn't be surprised if many of those diehards owned hybrid dogs or cats lol).

 

[Stanzzzz7]

All domestic dogs are hybrids aren't they?

I don't think purists look at you as unethical scum.
I think they just think you lack taste

Don't know why you get so defensive, I couldn't give a rats ass what people think of my fish.
I like them and I don't need any reassurance.
Mind you us purists are of a higher class.

 

[islandguy11]

All domestic dogs are hybrids aren't they?

I don't think purists look at you as unethical scum.
I think they just think you lack taste

Don't know why you get so defensive, I couldn't give a rats ass what people think of my fish.
I like them and I don't need any reassurance.
Mind you us purists are of a higher class.

Lol, nice bunch of semantics you got going on their buddy -- and yes, dogs are hybrids which exactly demonstrates the hypocrisy I was trying to point out

As to why I get 'so defensive', it's not really about my fish -- let's say in general I simply don't like people who come across as holier-than-though-a-holes (whether talking fish, politics, religion etc.) or those who try and rain on others' parades -- it's not why we're all here.

That said, I've never criticized or put down anyone's fish (or their tank), and think it's just plain rude; but I've seen 'purists' doing it many times on various forums and FB groups as if their god's gift to aquarium keeping, Protectors of the Realm, lol.

And, well as a 'purist' you might come across differently (cough, cough), most of them instead of demonstrating 'higher class' actually demonstrate lower class by being small-minded enough to look down on their fish keeping brothers and sisters and their fish -- and in the process often (subconsciously) express an innate jealousy toward the (frequently more beautiful) hybrids out there

But it wasn't my intention to re-ignite this particular fish war that has been hashed out on MFK and other forums so many times over the years. I would apologize to the OP, but it was pretty inevitable just by raising the question

 

[islandguy11]

I should clarify that I don't in any way think all purists act like aqua jerks. As other posts in this thread show, many if not most are more measured and accepting even if they personally don't like hybrids, and feel no need to elucidate on their better taste nor look down on hybrid lovers, just saying.

But my bad, I shouldn't have stirred the pot

 

[Warborg]

I'm both. I do like purity, but also understand some mixes but they do pollute the linage.

 

[duanes]

Dogs are different man induced breeds of the same species Canus lupus familiarus, not hybrids (simply man induced line bred, yes) just like a guppies, just as goldfish, no matter the shape, size or color are all Carrasius auratus (not hybrids from different species)line bred variants of carp, over millions of years.
Just like the blood parrot a line bred color and shape man selected mutation, not a hybrid

 

[Stanzzzz7]

I always thought the blood parrot was a midas/heros x

 

[Deadliestviper7]

Dogs are for the most part (with the exception of a few breeds which incorporate such things as jackal ) a single species, even if you crossed a dog with a coyote it'd still be a single species because they are subspecies not distinct species.

With that being said I like hybrids that are 1 hardy,2 look good.

Some good examples of hardy fish include: hybrid striped bass,tiger Muskie,saugeye,
Koi x goldfish,alligator gar x longnose gar,
Hybrid sunfish,meanmouth bass,hybrid crappie,bluemouth (lmb x bluegill), crocodile gar,red Texas,black drum x red drum,rtc x tsn, channel x blue cat, blue x flathead catfish.

Hybrids occur more commonly in the wild than many purist realize or will admit.

Some of these hybrids have traits their parents do not posess, hybrid stripers grow to larger size and tolerate higher salinities than white bass all while withstanding higher temperatures than striped bass can.

Tiger Muskie grow faster than their Muskie parent and can survive waters warmer than their northern pike parent etc