I think we are being persuaded by the wrong people

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I found this forum a few weeks ago, and thought it was interesting and informative. I've been lurking since then.

This thread has been very enlightening in that while I love the hobby, I never want to join a club, organization, or other community.

Great first impression, guys.
When people are passionate, things can easily "blow up!"..........just like any other aspect of society and life.

You have control of what you open on this forum. Of all the threads and posts occurring on this forum, do not let this single thread be the one that personifies MFK. Its your choice whether you want to choose to read/participate in information, comeraderie, or drama
 
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I haven't read every post in this thread but in regards to PETA. They do in act KILL animals. They kill the vast MAJORITY of the animals that come to their shelters. We aren't talking sick and unadoptable animals but healthy good animals.

They also have extremist that would cause harm or death to humans. Total oxymoron extremist group IMO.
 
Nathan this bickering goess on no matter where the group of people. Probably some of the worst would be a large family reunion. If we all have the same thoughts and never argue we would likely all be clones. Don't give up on groups or clubs you will miss to much in life.
 
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Oh great... here this guy comes. Do you want to argue with me? I feel like you simply want to argue with me. Other wise you would've addressed one of my posts specifically and not a post about me. I'll take any response from you as a yes and we can go from there.

I'll pass. I can see you're already grabbing for straws. Typical you don't know me and where I've been rhetorics. Feel free to bow out of my hobby though.
 
This thread has really bummed me out. The reasons these groups don't want us to keep pets is because of people's "they're just fish" or "it's just a dog" view.
In all the planets and moons in the solar system this is the only one that hosts life. And so many different kinds of life. And you putting anything that's not human life on this level so far below us is a total lack of understanding of how rare intelligentl life is.
It is very, very unlikely that intelligent life will ever be discovered anywhere in the universe in the lifetime of man. Either by us finding something or us being found. This pedestal that man kind is on will be his down fall.
And I try to help. I post a lot on this forum. And I post a lot of other forums. And old coworkers of mine still text me for advice when they have a customer with a fish issue they don't know how to solve.
Every fish I own was a donation to a store. Or, in the case of my convict, was born at the store.
I honestly expected a lot more compassion from this group of people. Instead there is people telling me that they would kill my loved ones in exchange for theirs. What a stupid hypothetical situation. And it's completely asinine to bring something like that up. I probably would save your kid. Because I try always to help people at my expense. Bit you can bet your ass I'd try to save both. I don't think you'd try to save both for me. But for some of you to say "I would kill your dog if you chose your dog" is completely crazy. I've built a connection with my dog, not with some random kid. What makes your kid so freaken important to me? Because I can give you an endless list of reasons my dog is so important to me. And for the record I don't value the life of your child more than my dog because my dog's life is more valuable to me. I would be helping you out the kindness of my heart. And I feel like the people here would not help someone catch their dog that came off the leash and was running towards the street. Or, more so, would help someone who's dog was in the middle of the street.
I think I need a mfk break. I felt good about this site. But now I don't. There is nothing natural about what we do. And comparison to nature is a joke. Tradition is no reason to not change something. Plenty of history is a good example of that. And valuing the life of my loved ones over yours doesn't make me crazy. It's makes me you.
 
I think having kids does change your perspective... Enough on killing other people pets, anyone harms one of my animals, you better run
 
I'll pass. I can see you're already grabbing for straws. Typical you don't know me and where I've been rhetorics. Feel free to bow out of my hobby though.
How how you stop riding my nuts and bug someone else. I like how you still felt the need to reply me. And how out of everyone in this 13 page thread you pick me to have something to about. And your one post in this thread is about me. You couldn't just say your piece, you had to say something about me. Lol....
 
This thread has really bummed me out. The reasons these groups don't want us to keep pets is because of people's "they're just fish" or "it's just a dog" view.
In all the planets and moons in the solar system this is the only one that hosts life. And so many different kinds of life. And you putting anything that's not human life on this level so far below us is a total lack of understanding of how rare intelligentl life is.
It is very, very unlikely that intelligent life will ever be discovered anywhere in the universe in the lifetime of man. Either by us finding something or us being found. This pedestal that man kind is on will be his down fall.
And I try to help. I post a lot on this forum. And I post a lot of other forums. And old coworkers of mine still text me for advice when they have a customer with a fish issue they don't know how to solve.
Every fish I own was a donation to a store. Or, in the case of my convict, was born at the store.
I honestly expected a lot more compassion from this group of people. Instead there is people telling me that they would kill my loved ones in exchange for theirs. What a stupid hypothetical situation. And it's completely asinine to bring something like that up. I probably would save your kid. Because I try always to help people at my expense. Bit you can bet your ass I'd try to save both. I don't think you'd try to save both for me. But for some of you to say "I would kill your dog if you chose your dog" is completely crazy. I've built a connection with my dog, not with some random kid. What makes your kid so freaken important to me? Because I can give you an endless list of reasons my dog is so important to me. And for the record I don't value the life of your child more than my dog because my dog's life is more valuable to me. I would be helping you out the kindness of my heart. And I feel like the people here would not help someone catch their dog that came off the leash and was running towards the street. Or, more so, would help someone who's dog was in the middle of the street.
I think I need a mfk break. I felt good about this site. But now I don't. There is nothing natural about what we do. And comparison to nature is a joke. Tradition is no reason to not change something. Plenty of history is a good example of that. And valuing the life of my loved ones over yours doesn't make me crazy. It's makes me you.


I gave an obvious extreme and not ideal example, but that was intentional to get my message across

I wouldn't want to harm anyone at all

but my point is, bottom line, a human's life is more important. that's the bottom line. my problem with your view and other people's view is that you would choose your pet's life over a human that is a stranger to you. no matter how I try to rationalize or debate it in my mind one way or the other, I would choose the human life over the non human life 100% of the time

and that is where I think you guys are pretty crazy to see it that way
 
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I've watched my dogs grow from annoying like sh*theads to the respectable adult dogs they are now.
I've put so much time and money into making sure when they're in public they aren't acting like idiots and running all over the place. They treat others with respect and do as their told.
When they get sick I get very stressed out. Because they can't tell me what's wrong. So I take them to the doctor and spend a lot of money to ensure their health.
And when something serious happens I'm almost brough to tears because I've watched them grow and helped them grow and they are now a huge part of my life. And the last thing I want is for them to undergo surgery and have to deal with the hell that surgery is.
A make sure their diets are varied to ensure they receive all proper nutrition.
I make sure they get adequate exercise. I want them to remain healthy.
They have proper shelter.
I work and go to school to make sure I can provide for them.
My biggest fear is that something will happen to me not because of my body but because of their fate.

You wouldn't say the exact same things about your kids?
And you wonder why I say their lives are more valuable to me?
 
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