I think we are being persuaded by the wrong people

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This thread has really bummed me out. The reasons these groups don't want us to keep pets is because of people's "they're just fish" or "it's just a dog" view.
In all the planets and moons in the solar system this is the only one that hosts life. And so many different kinds of life. And you putting anything that's not human life on this level so far below us is a total lack of understanding of how rare intelligentl life is.
It is very, very unlikely that intelligent life will ever be discovered anywhere in the universe in the lifetime of man. Either by us finding something or us being found. This pedestal that man kind is on will be his down fall.
And I try to help. I post a lot on this forum. And I post a lot of other forums. And old coworkers of mine still text me for advice when they have a customer with a fish issue they don't know how to solve.
Every fish I own was a donation to a store. Or, in the case of my convict, was born at the store.
I honestly expected a lot more compassion from this group of people. Instead there is people telling me that they would kill my loved ones in exchange for theirs. What a stupid hypothetical situation. And it's completely asinine to bring something like that up. I probably would save your kid. Because I try always to help people at my expense. Bit you can bet your ass I'd try to save both. I don't think you'd try to save both for me. But for some of you to say "I would kill your dog if you chose your dog" is completely crazy. I've built a connection with my dog, not with some random kid. What makes your kid so freaken important to me? Because I can give you an endless list of reasons my dog is so important to me. And for the record I don't value the life of your child more than my dog because my dog's life is more valuable to me. I would be helping you out the kindness of my heart. And I feel like the people here would not help someone catch their dog that came off the leash and was running towards the street. Or, more so, would help someone who's dog was in the middle of the street.
I think I need a mfk break. I felt good about this site. But now I don't. There is nothing natural about what we do. And comparison to nature is a joke. Tradition is no reason to not change something. Plenty of history is a good example of that. And valuing the life of my loved ones over yours doesn't make me crazy. It's makes me you.

Ehh if this was directed at me let me clarify i never said my loved one are more valuable than anyone elses...i said that i would kill my pets and everyone elses to save my childs life... stupid example sure but just making my point. I do find it a bit disturbing that you would choose the life of your dog over a childs life. I would not think twice about trading every pet i have to save a childs life.

Bro i enjoy talking to you on this site and other but wveryone is entitled to their opinion regardless of how we disagree.

Honestly cant understand why someone would partake in this hobby but then be against it.

Dude a an animal over a child ?

My 2 yr old daughter helped me acclimate a new fish today, usually my sons job. She was so excited named the poly goldie and was screaming its name the whole time.... im sorry but until you acknowledge the good that comes from this hobby i dont think you will understand where anyone else stands
 
This thread has really bummed me out. The reasons these groups don't want us to keep pets is because of people's "they're just fish" or "it's just a dog" view.
In all the planets and moons in the solar system this is the only one that hosts life. And so many different kinds of life. And you putting anything that's not human life on this level so far below us is a total lack of understanding of how rare intelligentl life is.
It is very, very unlikely that intelligent life will ever be discovered anywhere in the universe in the lifetime of man. Either by us finding something or us being found. This pedestal that man kind is on will be his down fall.
And I try to help. I post a lot on this forum. And I post a lot of other forums. And old coworkers of mine still text me for advice when they have a customer with a fish issue they don't know how to solve.
Every fish I own was a donation to a store. Or, in the case of my convict, was born at the store.
I honestly expected a lot more compassion from this group of people. Instead there is people telling me that they would kill my loved ones in exchange for theirs. What a stupid hypothetical situation. And it's completely asinine to bring something like that up. I probably would save your kid. Because I try always to help people at my expense. Bit you can bet your ass I'd try to save both. I don't think you'd try to save both for me. But for some of you to say "I would kill your dog if you chose your dog" is completely crazy. I've built a connection with my dog, not with some random kid. What makes your kid so freaken important to me? Because I can give you an endless list of reasons my dog is so important to me. And for the record I don't value the life of your child more than my dog because my dog's life is more valuable to me. I would be helping you out the kindness of my heart. And I feel like the people here would not help someone catch their dog that came off the leash and was running towards the street. Or, more so, would help someone who's dog was in the middle of the street.
I think I need a mfk break. I felt good about this site. But now I don't. There is nothing natural about what we do. And comparison to nature is a joke. Tradition is no reason to not change something. Plenty of history is a good example of that. And valuing the life of my loved ones over yours doesn't make me crazy. It's makes me you.


I also wanna say that the things I said is not because there is a lack of compassion for animals. I just know that no matter what different perspectives I try to see it from, a human's life is more valuable than an animal. that is always the conclusion i come to

i don't have a dog, but we had dogs when i was younger, and i would choose the human life over my dog if that is what it came down to

it's not crazy for you to value your loved ones over a stranger. what i find crazy is if given the choice, some people would save their animal over a human life if it came down to that
 
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Sumo i think it comes down to life experiences. Sometimes people speak about things they havent experienced, once they do the opinions usually change
 
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Ehh I hope most people will still help others because they can I know I try to when ever I can. Your second last post showed a far more caring side of you which was nice to see. None of us are any better than our fellow colleage on this site.
This thread has shown that some of us rate animals much higher than others and that is ok. At the end of the day we all need to shake hands and get along or we will lose our right to have pets.
 
Ehh if this was directed at me let me clarify i never said my loved one are more valuable than anyone elses...i said that i would kill my pets and everyone elses to save my childs life... stupid example sure but just making my point. I do find it a bit disturbing that you would choose the life of your dog over a childs life. I would not think twice about trading every pet i have to save a childs life.

Bro i enjoy talking to you on this site and other but wveryone is entitled to their opinion regardless of how we disagree.

Honestly cant understand why someone would partake in this hobby but then be against it.

Dude a an animal over a child ?

My 2 yr old daughter helped me acclimate a new fish today, usually my sons job. She was so excited named the poly goldie and was screaming its name the whole time.... im sorry but until you acknowledge the good that comes from this hobby i dont think you will understand where anyone else stands

yea, that's what i'm saying too

my issue isn't that they love their pets. no one said that, well at least not me

i also feel that some people that disagree with us tend to jump to conclusion

our view doesn't automatically mean we feel like animals are just dumb animals or that there is no compassion for them.

and i think it's silly of the girl that said all life forms are equal but she loves steak
 
Ehh I hope most people will still help others because they can I know I try to when ever I can. Your second last post showed a far more caring side of you which was nice to see. None of us are any better than our fellow colleage on this site.
This thread has shown that some of us rate animals much higher than others and that is ok. At the end of the day we all need to shake hands and get along or we will lose our right to have pets.

i don't think anyone here is taking it personal. it's just a discussion from different views and opinions. everything is all good
 
Just saw this response to the Ashley Madison data dump. Look at the very bottom, thought it was funny.
Ha ha ha ha!!! The idiots who use that site deserve to have their info broadcast to the world! What are you afraid of you cheating morons? Get a damn divorce or tell your spouse about your "plans" then you won't have to worry about being exposed! The problem here is not cheating as much as it's about LYING and DECEPTION! No one deserves to be the fool when it comes to spouse that cheats! No one deserves that! Good job hackers! Now go after the animal cruelty industries like horse racing & greyhound racing! Let's bring those monsters to their knees!
 
When my gf is upset about something the dogs gather around and cuddle with her. My dogs are not cuddle bugs. But they know when she is sad it time to cuddle and will make her feel better. How am I supposed to believe that that kind of life is just replaceable or less important than the next life?
You know the best part of my day is getting home and having my dogs rush me and having my hundred pound Rottweiler almost knocked me over and having my Pomeranian just jump all over me. it is awesome to always be loved.
My girlfriend loves having extra money because that means she can buy more toys for the dogs to destroy.
And to be honest with you guys I take everything that you said incredibly personal. I never once said that I would kill your love ones to save mine. Because I would never say something like that about the people that you love. Oh but because they're just my stupid dogs it's ok for you guys to say that you have no issue killing mine save yours.
 
I under stand we are just voicing our opinions Sumo that is what I wanted to hear. My actual fear at the time of posting the thread was that to many of were leaning towars animal rights and not the welfare of our pets. There is a huge difference in those two subjects and I am strongly anti animal rights.
 
That is the trouble wirh dogs ehh they grow on us very quickly.
I know where you are coming from and I have lost a few of them my self it really hurts.
 
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