I think we are being persuaded by the wrong people

[skjl47]

Hello; Some things occured to me on the way to the dentist today. Consider, if you will, that the cat and grandma have equal rights. Cat elevated to human rights to be specific.

Scene one: Both cat and grandma are diagnosed with terminal cancer. Grandma has a DNR order on file and is allowed to pass without extreme measures being taken to keep her alive. The cat, having not signed such an order and having equal rights, must be given all care possible and kept alive on machines if needed.

Scene two: Both cat and grandma are diagnosed with a serious issue that reduces quality of life. Both will have to tough it out to the bitter end in many places. Cats can no longer simply be "put out of their misery" because they have equal rights with people.

Scene three: Picture, if you will, some sort of widespread disaster. More specifically one that results in a food shortage. There is just enough food to keep the humans alive, but not the dogs and cats. The animals have equal rights so it becomes a crime equal to starving a person if the dog and cat are not fed equal to the people. Grandma or the cat? If you pick grandma, after the disaster you go to prison for animal neglect.

Scene four: You have a dog and a tight budget. The vet tells you the dog needs an expensive treatment. You can no longer have the dog put down as an option. You go bankrupt. Actually this one may be closer to current reality than all the others.

Need I go on?

 

[wild bill]

Sadly skj147 your scenes are a reallity the animals have actually become our superior and deserve better treatment. Which is exactly why I started this thread to many of us believe with can reason with the animal rights terrorists. When we try to reason with them we lose and they gain. Stone like fish said it best they continue to chip away until we have nothing. Please no one on here believe for one minute that our hobby is not in their sights and we are in danger. 2 years ago my family became the target of one of these nuts. He broke into our buildins cut our fences and the police could do nothing it was like the prosecutor was this nuts friend. Acts like this are becoming common place now all in the name of saving animals after all we are only people.
Over the last few years I have seen on this forum how more of us are siding to the animal rights agenda. Unfortunately most of us don't even realize it.

I have made many statements like this on numerous topics here and I have cut down and called basically a whack job. This actually the first time I have seen members catching on and agreeing with me. For that I say thank you and lets get together before it is to late.

 

[Kittiee Katt]

wild bill I don't think your a whack job for standing up for what you believe, thats standard human programming. While I may disagree with your view on the situation I admire that your willing to try to convince others to see it your way..
JUST LIKE ANIMAL RIGHTS ACTIVISTS!!! There are obviously people who share your view, why try convincing others to change their opinions? The only reason I can see is that you want everything your way, just like PETA.

As far as "looking after/licenses" go, after reading some of the posts regarding what I said I realise that a license may not be the way to go, people have pointed out where there will be flaws with such a system that I didn't see to begin with eg: difference's in personal opinion. So I'll admit that was a stupid idea. My bad. However looking after them IMO would mean being able to keep your animals confined to your property - no one likes weeding the garden and finding out that the neighbourhood cat uses your petunia's as a litter box. I see this as an important part of keeping animals, along with knowing what your pet is supposed to eat, idiots actually think that because the dog likes chocolate, they should feed it more chocolate to keep it happy. This is a problem. Imo looking after animals is simple. All animals require 3 things #1Good diet. #2 Adequate exercise (yes, this applies for fish too!) #3 Safe, tidy home. These three things shouldn't be to hard to provide, and anyone who thinks they are doesn't deserve pets.

I already admitted that licenses are a bad idea, however most of you are complaining about the FEES that you would have to pay if such a system was in place. Judging by the tanks some of you guys own I'm guna assume use have more income than me, I can't work due to a medical condition and my hubby's on minimum wage. But in a hypothetical world where licenses are needed to keep pets the license fee would be the last of my concerns. I'd be more worried abouth the inspection officer finding my bong and getting a fine for that, than the fee I'd have to pay to keep my pets. I'd throw out my TV and my surround sound system, delete the 92gig of music on my lap top, smash my computer and burn out my own car before I'd even consider getting rid of one pet. Down to my last tetra I love them all, and would happily pay a fee to be able to keep them..

 

[ehh]

I personally wouldn't mind if the pet industry went under. I've seen so many animals die at the hands of the ignorant. And let's face it, the mass majority of pet owners are terrible pet owners. So I can totally see where these "crazy" people are coming from. I personally don't approve with permits because that's just more government mess. I think the only solution that I would consider as acceptable is if the price of animals were to sky rocket. A hamster should sell for 80$, not 8$. That cheap animal makes it easy to forget it's real value and treat like a stupid animal. If my current pets where the last I were to ever own I would be ok with that. You see enough bettas returned in the cups they were sold in and you might start to think like a crazy person too.

Also, any sense of entitlement you have because of your intellect is total garage. Jump off a building wearing nothing but your skin or go spend a few hours under water wearing only your skin and come talk to me about your superiority. Failure to recognize the value of biodiversity is failure to make use of the intellect you boast.

 

[Kittiee Katt]

Also, any sense of entitlement you have because of your intellect is total garage. Jump off a building wearing nothing but your skin or go spend a few hours under water wearing only your skin and come talk to me about your superiority. Failure to recognize the value of biodiversity is failure to make use of the intellect you boast.

AMEN TO THAT!!!

 

[RD.]

I'd throw out my TV and my surround sound system, delete the 92gig of music on my lap top, smash my computer and burn out my own car before I'd even consider getting rid of one pet. Down to my last tetra I love them all, and would happily pay a fee to be able to keep them..

Would you give your life for that same tetra?

Talk is cheap, anyone can climb up on to a soap box. I love all my pets as much as the next animal lover, and would most likely beat someone senseless if they so much as raised a hand to one of my dogs, but I wouldn't give my life for them, nor would I for a pet fish. I've lost count as to how many native fish I have collected and eaten over my lifetime, I sure as hell wouldn't die for one raised in captivity.

On the flip side I would gladly lay down my life for any of my 'human' loved ones.

There's the line for me.

 

[wild bill]

Ebbi you stand there and say you would never give up your pets. Then you have totally missed what I am saying if these groups get there way you won't have any pets or the chance to own them. I am not trying to push my ideals I am trying help us all keep our pets. It sounds as though ehh could care less if he or anyone else had pets. He is just the kind of guy Peta and their friends are looking for or maybe his true colors are coming out.

 

[wild bill]

Well put RD.

 

[ehh]

Ebbi you stand there and say you would never give up your pets. Then you have totally missed what I am saying if these groups get there way you won't have any pets or the chance to own them. I am not trying to push my ideals I am trying help us all keep our pets. It sounds as though ehh could care less if he or anyone else had pets. He is just the kind of guy Peta and their friends are looking for or maybe his true colors are coming out.

I don't know how much more clear I could put it for you, buddy. I DONT CARE IF THE PET INDUSTRY GOES UNDER. IF I WAS PROHIBITED FROM BUYING ANIMALS I WOULD BE FINE WITH THAT.
Colorful enough for you?

 

[Wailua Boy]

On the subject of permitting and aquariums. There already are many states that require permits for pond keeping. Authorities essentially have the right to search your property at anytime, with cause. (luckily I'm not living in one of those states)