ID carpinte please

[capefeartarheel]

LOL

youre not correct at all. Its not a lahillas. Thats easy to see. Scroll up and look at the lahillas in the pics, then look at the fish in question.

Dominator...8 weeks ago you were making threads asking what the differences were between the variants and had never had any of the aforementioned...and didnt even know how to sex them...and now youre the expert?

Here:

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264776


Having several variants for 8 weeks doesnt make you the know all to end all discussions.

Its not a bad thing that you didnt know and its good that you are trying to learn, but to come on here being 100% adamant about what something is when you lack the experience and knowledge is just asinine.

Sometimes its best to sit back, follow the conversations and learn from others.

 

[hailmike]

because i kept all of them, thanks.
Lahillas has smaller pearls with more space in between the pearls, also blue color chain. cyano does not have that big pearls at this size. In addition, that doesn't look like hybrid at all, the body color is just too normal. It can't be cyano either, cyano does not have blue chain.

Blue chain? What's that?
I have a cyano that's looks almost identical to the fish in question. If it were a hybrid its body shape wouldn't be any different because cyano and carpintis look so similar.

 

[balton777]

I'll be the first to admit I'm not an expert. But when I saw the picture posted, the first thing that popped in my head was Cyano. The one on the right still looks like a young Cyano so now we all know for sure I'm not an expert. =-) But then again, from all the posts, it's obviously hard to determine at that size.

 

[jgentry]

This stuff can be almost impossible to say for sure what they are. To me the fish on the right does not look pure cyano or carpintis. Spots are 2 large for cyano but it doesn't have the right base color or large enough spots for me to believe it is a carpintis either. The other fish does not look like an escondido to me either. All of this guessing about lahillas or escondido is just that guessing. No one has anyway to prove that these fish are anything other then some store strain of texas. It's crazy to say that these fish are a certain kind when you a just randomnly guessing. Every river in that area has a form that is slightly different then the next so unless it has a collection local your naming them is bogus. I also have no idea how you can know that the store only carries F0 or F1 CA/SA stock unless the tank is labled as such.

Just as a rondomn guess I would say that your fish are a hybrid from a cyano and one of the carpintis varieties that can display some worming. If you cross the 2 I doubt that you would get uniform fry. You could very likely get a mix of spot sizes and worming which would explain why you saw several different looking ones in the same tank. That is just an educated guess though. i would call them tank bred texas and nothing else. Anything else is just a made up guess.

Nice looking fish either way. Enjoy them and don't worry about what they are.

 

[hailmike]

This stuff can be almost impossible to say for sure what they are. To me the fish on the right does not look pure cyano or carpintis. Spots are 2 large for cyano but it doesn't have the right base color or large enough spots for me to believe it is a carpintis either. The other fish does not look like an escondido to me either. All of this guessing about lahillas or escondido is just that guessing. No one has anyway to prove that these fish are anything other then some store strain of texas. It's crazy to say that these fish are a certain kind when you a just randomnly guessing. Every river in that area has a form that is slightly different then the next so unless it has a collection local your naming them is bogus. I also have no idea how you can know that the store only carries F0 or F1 CA/SA stock unless the tank is labled as such.

Just as a rondomn guess I would say that your fish are a hybrid from a cyano and one of the carpintis varieties that can display some worming. If you cross the 2 I doubt that you would get uniform fry. You could very likely get a mix of spot sizes and worming which would explain why you saw several different looking ones in the same tank. That is just an educated guess though. i would call them tank bred texas and nothing else. Anything else is just a made up guess.

Nice looking fish either way. Enjoy them and don't worry about what they are.

i completely agree!

 

[HrHagel]

Thanks everyone Obviously i enjoy them very much for what they are, i was merely curious about what particular fish he is.

In Denmark we don't have aquarium strains like you have in the US and elsewhere.

The store have only kept 1 wild caught pair of escons and 1 other pair, which the owner couldn't remember which species it was, after the breeding pair was sold, since it's been a long time since the pair was sold. I picked them up at around 3,5".

Aquarium strains are much more rare than F0 and F1 up here, since it's not that many years since the fish first arrived at the stores, and the hobby is very small up here. The entire country only has 5million people living here.

I had been looking for a while on different variants of these fish and couldn't find one that looked exactly like this, that is why it bugged me, and that is why i came here looking for answers.

Sorry if i've caused any trouble for anyone.

 

[jgentry]

Thanks everyone Obviously i enjoy them very much for what they are, i was merely curious about what particular fish he is.

In Denmark we don't have aquarium strains like you have in the US and elsewhere.

The store have only kept 1 wild caught pair of escons and 1 other pair, which the owner couldn't remember which species it was, after the breeding pair was sold, since it's been a long time since the pair was sold. I picked them up at around 3,5".

Aquarium strains are much more rare than F0 and F1 up here, since it's not that many years since the fish first arrived at the stores, and the hobby is very small up here. The entire country only has 5million people living here.

I had been looking for a while on different variants of these fish and couldn't find one that looked exactly like this, that is why it bugged me, and that is why i came here looking for answers.

Sorry if i've caused any trouble for anyone.

Well you certainly have not caused anyone any trouble or have anything to be sorry for. These things pop up all the time. Just unfortunately with the closely related herichthys unless you know exactly what the parents of the fish are you really don't have a way to ID them. That's why when dealing with wild or fish close to the wild it is so important to keep the collection information with them. Otherwise everyone is just guessing. This is a very common problem with these fish.

 

[Dominator]

Stop criticizing me in every thread, i've kept lahillas for more than a year already, not 8 weeks. I did ask about 6 different variants of carpintis, but thats a week ago...

LOL

youre not correct at all. Its not a lahillas. Thats easy to see. Scroll up and look at the lahillas in the pics, then look at the fish in question.

Dominator...8 weeks ago you were making threads asking what the differences were between the variants and had never had any of the aforementioned...and didnt even know how to sex them...and now youre the expert?

Here:

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264776


Having several variants for 8 weeks doesnt make you the know all to end all discussions.

Its not a bad thing that you didnt know and its good that you are trying to learn, but to come on here being 100% adamant about what something is when you lack the experience and knowledge is just asinine.

Sometimes its best to sit back, follow the conversations and learn from others.

 

[young_rico]

This stuff can be almost impossible to say for sure what they are. To me the fish on the right does not look pure cyano or carpintis. Spots are 2 large for cyano but it doesn't have the right base color or large enough spots for me to believe it is a carpintis either. The other fish does not look like an escondido to me either. All of this guessing about lahillas or escondido is just that guessing. No one has anyway to prove that these fish are anything other then some store strain of texas. It's crazy to say that these fish are a certain kind when you a just randomnly guessing. Every river in that area has a form that is slightly different then the next so unless it has a collection local your naming them is bogus. I also have no idea how you can know that the store only carries F0 or F1 CA/SA stock unless the tank is labled as such.

Just as a rondomn guess I would say that your fish are a hybrid from a cyano and one of the carpintis varieties that can display some worming. If you cross the 2 I doubt that you would get uniform fry. You could very likely get a mix of spot sizes and worming which would explain why you saw several different looking ones in the same tank. That is just an educated guess though. i would call them tank bred texas and nothing else. Anything else is just a made up guess.

Nice looking fish either way. Enjoy them and don't worry about what they are.

+1
thats all i was trying to say. im just too lazy to type all that up.

 

[calicichlid]

Good topic/thread lets debate on it......not argue : ).