ID Please.....Red Dat?

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How long till it's an adult and will require salt? Also, how quick do these guys grow? I only have a 150 gallon tank for him right now.

I don't know much about him. I picked it up from someone else. a couple of days ago, who wasn't able to keep it in his tanks. He had just recently picked it up at a lfs a day or two before he had to get rid of it.

Thanks for the info guys!
 
vanimate;540609; said:
Do these occur in the same place as dats? I thought these were aussie.

No they arent only from australlia but occur around the world. So yes they are collected in the same brackish/freshwater places that datnoids are collected from.
 
i am currently keeping one they are found in the local brackish waterways around here (queensland australia). great fish to own but often become a 1 fish per tank option. mine is around 16" long and very aggressive he eats frozen prawn and pellets, would reccomend getting one without hesitation, by the way mine is running on aroung 5g per litre salt.
 
messiner;541451; said:
i think 3 foot is def a more reasonable max size, not calling you a liar, im just saying 4-5 foot is GIANT for a mangrove. ive never seen one over 2.5 foot. have you?

googled world record mangrove snapper and got this:http://images.google.com/imgres?img...cord+mangrove+snapper&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=G

about 3 foot and consitered a monster

Biggest i seen is like a foot and my dad caught it when we went fishing. I also seen another one for sale in marine warehouse (place i told u about) it was around 4 inches.
Im just saying thats what the website says....
 
messiner;541451; said:
i think 3 foot is def a more reasonable max size, not calling you a liar, im just saying 4-5 foot is GIANT for a mangrove. ive never seen one over 2.5 foot. have you?

googled world record mangrove snapper and got this:http://images.google.com/imgres?img...cord+mangrove+snapper&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&sa=G

about 3 foot and consitered a monster

Sorry buddy, what you have provided is a world record for a Gray mangrove snaper (Lutjanus griseus ) These fish fish will max out at about 3'.

I have regulary seen mangrove jacks being caught around the 3' mark and the biggest I have seen in person was a 24lbs one and it was over 3'.
These fish do have a max size of around 5'.
 
ashdavid;541641; said:
Sorry buddy, what you have provided is a world record for a Gray mangrove snaper (Lutjanus griseus ) These fish fish will max out at about 3'.

I have regulary seen mangrove jacks being caught around the 3' mark and the biggest I have seen in person was a 24lbs one and it was over 3'.
These fish do have a max size of around 5'.

That dude doesnt know what he is talking about David, pay him no mind. ;)
 
ashdavid;540784; said:
When I was still living in Australia ,I had kept at least 10 or more over the years and every single fish that I had that I tried to raise in fresh water eventually died. However, fish caught from the same area at the same time did very well in my full salt water set up and I got one of my fish to be quite big (around 30"). So can you back your statement up with scientific proof? These fish need salt water.

Hello Ashdavid, thanks for taking the time to respond to my comments. Here I'll list some information supporting my comment, and thanks for taking the time to read.

Back ground: I've kept my first L. argentimaculatus when I was 8, so about 20+ years ago, caught a dozen or so in Hong Kong during the mid 80's from the ocean to estuary creeks. Eaten them and seen them from 3" to 2 feet plus in supermarkets. I am currenlty raising one, for almost 30 months now, from 2" to 18" plus currently, eating everything in sight, kept in a variety of salinity and water conditions, but never anywhere near even "brackish" by definition.

References: I've always been very interested in fish that are amphidromous: I've actually written and corresponded with world renowned icthyologist Gerald Allen, and he stated that there are 3 species that he is aware that can live in pure freshwater indefinitly, including Lutjanus goldei ( which is found predominantly in freshwater, and sometimes in brackish), also its a very close kin to Lutjanus argentimaculatus, and lutjanus russelli, which can all live in freshwater.

In Hong Kong, these fish, 4 species of snapper fish have been bred and aquacultured for human consumption, raised in inland mud ponds, with minimal amounts of salt, for over 15 years already, and they sell them at 0.5kg-10kg specimens.

Lutjanidae snappers are secondary marine fish, having freshwater ancestral lineage. This is a eurahyline species and amphidromous or catadromous from literature.


Many of the semi-brackish fish move into open water of the ocean or deeper ocean for different reasons, including, but not limited to forage, escape predation, breed. For example, salmons, trouts, and chars, and many anadromous fish will go to the ocean to feed, grow large, return to creeks to breed, but they all have landlocked specimens that live in pure freshwater their entire lives and can breed the same.

More examples of amphidromous fish to boggle your mind: Oreochromis mossambicus the most common tilapia, can live and originates from pure freshwater environment, to hypersaline conditions of salton sea, 1.030 specific gravity. All salmonidae, many gobies, puffers. The guapote-large hericthys, found in Central America, if you look back at an old TFH article, they were found breeding in salt water pools near the ocean. The list goes on and on....I've also spoken to some field scientists down south america, stating that there are actually characins, pacus, piranhas, oscars, arapaimas, living in brackish water conditions, matter of fact, I have pictures of some, but I can post them, nor do they represent anything, but there is no reason why this guy should make this up.
These are just some supporting facts for my comments. Feel free to comment.

This was better written the first time, and my computer got unplugged accidently, and now I really didn't have the energy to rewrite it all again, but I might add a few comments here and there to support my theories.
 
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