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[pelleeklund]

It would probably be good in a 55 they max out around 12 from what I understand. For what it's worth I'm in the Philadelphia area and I fish all the time and never caught one. Sounds like your doing well recently, hope your streak continues buddy.


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[divemaster99]

Guess I'm sticking with a green for the 30 then .

Heres another one I can't figure out: pumpkinseed or longear?

It doesnt have the red splotch behind the gill cover like most P-Seeds do.

 

[MN_Rebel]

Bluegill x Pumpkinseed hybrid

 

[Pumpkinseed]

Awesome! First time I've ever seen one in person let alone caught them, managed 4 so far in the 8-9 inch and 1 pound range and they're still hitting! They're such good fights too! Does anyone know why the PFBC has them listed as endangered in pa? I know they aren't endangered in ohio so is it just because of their small range in pa?

The red eyes give it away as a warmouth.

I have no direct knowledge of why they are on the endangered list in PA, my best guess is that the biologist that put them on it is a total friggin moron. If you look at the natural distribution: http://www.rom.on.ca/ontario/risk.php?doc_type=map&id=86 , you can see they are barely present in PA, because it is on the edge of their range. The PA state line is a totally arbitrary thing, they were never abundant in PA, and they are not in decline, it's silly to put them on the list. They did the same thing with the Longear.

 

[MN_Rebel]

Any animal with limited distribution in a state is at risk from being wiped out or disappearing from the fauna. Our longear sunfish in Minnesota could be found in just 38 lakes (we have 11,000 lakes). War mouth in Minnesota is rarest sunfish species and could only found in backwaters of Mississippi River (southern part below Twin Cities). Flier sunfish, grass pickerel and skipjack herring used to be common in Minnesota but now they are extriped from Minnesota. I think PA wants to protect an animal that is rare in their state, it would be a shame if the war mouth is disappeared from PA fauna.

 

[divemaster99]

I think PA wants to protect an animal that is rare in their state, it would be a shame if the war mouth is disappeared from PA fauna.

Isn't that the truth, I'd hate to lose them from the state.

 

[Pumpkinseed]

Isn't that the truth, I'd hate to lose them from the state.

The point I was trying to make is that state lines are arbitrary political constructs, and have nothing to do with the distribution of wildlife.
I also honestly believe that placing them on the endangered list does next to nothing to help protect them. The PFBC is actually the #1 killer of warmouth in PA with the the stocking of bass in their waters.

 

[Pumpkinseed]

Guess I'm sticking with a green for the 30 then .

Heres another one I can't figure out: pumpkinseed or longear?

It doesnt have the red splotch behind the gill cover like most P-Seeds do.

I dont see any pumpkinseed in that fish. Looks like a redbreast x bluegill to me.

Where was it caught, and what Lepomis are present in the area?

 

[MN_Rebel]

I dont see any pumpkinseed in that fish. Looks like a redbreast x bluegill to me.

Where was it caught, and what Lepomis are present in the area?

You may drop the act as you are not expert on most subjects on natives. This is clearly a bluegill x pumpkinseed, a common hybrid in many waters. If there is a redbreast in the fish, the ears should be longer, the mouth should be larger and the breast should be redder. But clearly there isn't a single trait that screams redbreast in the hybrid.

 

[MN_Rebel]

The point I was trying to make is that state lines are arbitrary political constructs, and have nothing to do with the distribution of wildlife.
I also honestly believe that placing them on the endangered list does next to nothing to help protect them. The PFBC is actually the #1 killer of warmouth in PA with the the stocking of bass in their waters.

GASP!!!! LET'S PROTECT THE WARMOUTH FROM THEIR NATURAL PREDATOR, THE BASS!!!! Oh wait the warmouth and the bass has coexisted in many waters where both are native and bass has never wiped out the warmouth. I would say that warmouth are never that abundant in many waters because they are habitat specialists, and the habitats where the warmouth lives are difficult for fishermen (and us Fisheries folks to sampling).