I believe you, I just have never heard a smallie called a black basssandtiger said:No, no, no...didn't you read my post? The term black bass can refer to ANY fish in the micropterus genus, largemouth or not. Yes, it is a black bass, not because it is a largemouth but because it is in the micropterus genus.
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Fish_are_fishfood said:I'd say it is just becasue of its surroundings. I know with my saltwater natives, if I catch them right then, they have darker colors and patterns. But once I get them in my open lit tank, they become much lighter. If a bass is caught righ tout from a pond or river or wherever, it will be colored darker to blend in with its surroundings, vegetation, rocks, shade, etc..., rather than one at a store that is in an open lit tank with not as much natural enviorment . Or am I totally wrong on this one?
You might be right on that one because the the places where I go fishing has a green tint to it I guess.
There are 3 different types of Large mouth bass incase people here are wondering. One is the northern bass and the record is like only 8lb and change, then there's the florida LMB which can get to 18-20 lb, and then there's the hybrid bass, which is between the norhtern and the florida. That I know for sure but on appearance.....I'm not sure if there's anthing majorly different.
sandtiger said:BTW, a cross between a northern and a Florida is not a hybrid. Technically they are the same species.
Not sure what you mean the same species, you can't call it a northern or a florida since they're both. That's why they are a hybrid bass, I don't make these things up, it's been researched. I don't really want to dig up where I found this info like how I did with the MN law about keeping gamefish as a pet though.
They are sub species, also called subraces, like the difference between a clydsdale horse and an arabian horse, not seperate species like a horse and a burro.
Yes, exactly. You can even use the example of different races of humans. There are a lot of human enthnic groups, they are all the same species. When they breed they do not create a hybrid. A hybrid is a cross between two different species.
Florida Largemouth
Micropterus salmoides floridanus
Northern Largmouth
Micropterus salmoides salmoides
The first name is the genus name, the second is the species, the last one is the sunspecies name. See how they are the same species?
I am not saying you are making stuff up, if anything it was just bad info. Few people...even fishermen know taxonomy all that well.
Florida Largemouth
Micropterus salmoides floridanus
Northern Largmouth
Micropterus salmoides salmoides
The first name is the genus name, the second is the species, the last one is the sunspecies name. See how they are the same species?
I am not saying you are making stuff up, if anything it was just bad info. Few people...even fishermen know taxonomy all that well.
Ok I do get what you guys are saying and yes cross breeding do not make them a totaly different type of fish. However they are termed "hybrid" though but I think you guys are making it a little to complex that what it is.
Take for example the Stripe bass, then they also got one that's refered to a "Hybrid" striped bass which has been cross bred with (I think) the white bass. Now it's called "hybrid" in the books but you can argue that this hybrid bass is still the same species so it isn't. So I'm going by what they call these fish by the books and not by true science.
You can also take the tiger muskie, it's cross between a northern pike and a muskie so it's consider a hybrid too right or wrong???
Take for example the Stripe bass, then they also got one that's refered to a "Hybrid" striped bass which has been cross bred with (I think) the white bass. Now it's called "hybrid" in the books but you can argue that this hybrid bass is still the same species so it isn't. So I'm going by what they call these fish by the books and not by true science.
You can also take the tiger muskie, it's cross between a northern pike and a muskie so it's consider a hybrid too right or wrong???
Ok ok ok I didn't write this stuff up or know if it's 100% true but here are my sources that I have to dig up because I'm the last guy that wants to give false information.
If this is not true then I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong for trusting this source but he atleast I got info to back up my claims. This is one of the few places that I got info on the a "HYBRID" bass. Yes they are the same species but they are still consider a hybrid.
http://www.suttlefish.com/trophy_bass.html
If this is not true then I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong for trusting this source but he atleast I got info to back up my claims. This is one of the few places that I got info on the a "HYBRID" bass. Yes they are the same species but they are still consider a hybrid.
http://www.suttlefish.com/trophy_bass.html
I agree that the term hybrid is often used for crossbreeds between subspecies as well as species, your two examples , the tiger muskie and the Whiper bass are true hybrids and like mules are sterile.
