I'm becoming addicted to water changes?

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You're funny. And that was borderline sexist. well played sir! regardless... I'de drive a model t. And my point is not everyones neccisarily needs or wants to use a hose/syphon, its like making fun of the kid in non-name brand clothes. heck I use buckets on my 20's because sometimes its easier to just fill up a few buckets then lug out the syphon and deal with it. And no.. I've looked for adapters but can't add one if the faucet doesn't have a male/female screw to it eh?
 
This is monster fish keepers last time I checked. We can keep pretending the monster can mean various things like the size of your passion but it was mostly a reference to tank size and predatory fish.....so yeah I'll laugh at people comparing their 20 gallon and under tanks to water changes in true monster tanks

Truth be known, regardless of how we go about the hobby we all have a love for fishkeeping and enjoy sharing our stories and that's all that really matters. I just poke fun at buckets so people new to the hobby are hopefully enlighten and learn theres ways around that manual labor

And yes that was sexist but I was banking on you finding it amusing. Glad you did


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If you don't already have a good and reliable test kit get one, when your nitrates reach 40-60ppm imo its a good time to change some water. I like to keep them no higher then 20-30ppm and pothos help eminencely! If your doing ridiculous amounts of wc and your nitrates are only 10-20ppm you are wasting time and money.

Which again is why everyone should test their water!


I haven't tested for nitrates in any of my tanks since back before Madonna really was like a virgin. If you truly understand the dynamics of keeping fish within a closed system, there is no need to be constantly testing established set ups. And as previously stated, nitrate levels only tell a portion of what's taking place with regards to water quality within a closed system such as an aquarium.

And as previously stated, water changes provide much more than simply lowering the tanks nitrate levels, they also remove phosphates, pheromones and other chemicals that can build up between water changes, as well as introduce numerous minerals and trace elements that become depleted over time.



'm not a science person like RD... I'm a hobbyist ... I go with what I see infront of me, not what the numbers and tests tell me.

But you see Monsterminis, I'm both. :) While I apply the science, ultimately I too follow what I see with my own two eyes.
 
I haven't tested for nitrates in any of my tanks since back before Madonna really was like a virgin. If you truly understand the dynamics of keeping fish within a closed system, there is no need to be constantly testing established set ups. And as previously stated, nitrate levels only tell a portion of what's taking place with regards to water quality within a closed system such as an aquarium.

And as previously stated, water changes provide much more than simply lowering the tanks nitrate levels, they also remove phosphates, pheromones and other chemicals that can build up between water changes, as well as introduce numerous minerals and trace elements that become depleted over time.

Pheromones and phosphates? No need to test levels? Hyperchanging water? Dude, people come to this site looking for information. You are right that every tank is different and its difficult to determine proper w/c schedule without knowing bioload, filtration etc..but still.. that level of water changes is above and beyond what is NEEDED and is being done because you WANT to. I said it before and I'll say it again. If someones water is nasty, or their ammonia/nitrite levels spike fast, or their fish look distressed and ill after a day or two since a water change then odds are real good you something else is wrong. Maybe they thought "well gosh if 75-80% is good, maybe i should do 100% every day.." or maybe they do have decent bb, but thet have innadequate aeration for their water temp and thats why the fish seem to only thrive right after a w/c.. but that isnt normal or a sign of a healthy tank imo and ime and hyper-water changes could be masking other issues for those people.



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I don't test water everytime I change water...but I do have test kits of I see something not right...like a lot of fish on the surface of the water, I can do some tests...and a quick change of water of course.


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Same here. Once a tank is established its an occasional or diagnostic thing. I do sometimes test before and after a w/c.

Oh and just a warning to hyperchangers out there: Southern California changes water sources several times a year going from Colorado river water to ground aquifers. Those waters have dramatically different chemistry Ph etc. That is something that would be minimized by a normal w/c routine of 20% a week or so.. just a consideration. The tap isnt always a constant.

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Same here. Once a tank is established its an occasional or diagnostic thing. I do sometimes test before and after a w/c.

Oh and just a warning to hyperchangers out there: Southern California changes water sources several times a year going from Colorado river water to ground aquifers. Those waters have dramatically different chemistry Ph etc. That is something that would be minimized by a normal w/c routine of 20% a week or so.. just a consideration. The tap isnt always a constant.

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Same for those in our County here in the NW. Right when Winter started we noticed a spike in Chlorine.
 
Pheromones and phosphates? No need to test levels? Hyperchanging water? Dude, people come to this site looking for information. You are right that every tank is different and its difficult to determine proper w/c schedule without knowing bioload, filtration etc..but still.. that level of water changes is above and beyond what is NEEDED and is being done because you WANT to. I said it before and I'll say it again. If someones water is nasty, or their ammonia/nitrite levels spike fast, or their fish look distressed and ill after a day or two since a water change then odds are real good you something else is wrong. Maybe they thought "well gosh if 75-80% is good, maybe i should do 100% every day.." or maybe they do have decent bb, but thet have innadequate aeration for their water temp and thats why the fish seem to only thrive right after a w/c.. but that isnt normal or a sign of a healthy tank imo and ime and hyper-water changes could be masking other issues for those people.



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+1

Yeah not sure what rd was saying with that, I was saying to find out your bio load you need to test, after a few weeks you know how many days till it peaks, thus you have an efficient wc schedule!

That is the worst advice for people new to the hobby, although once you know your bio load you can cut back on testing BUT LETS NOT FORGET YOU TAP CAN CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, SO OCCASIONAL TESTING (WEEKLY-BIWEEKLY) IS A SMART THING TO DO.


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I'm not sure what was so difficult to understand about my previous comment?

I didn't say that I never use any type of testing equipment on my tanks, I said that I haven't tested for nitrates in any of my tanks in many years. I also thought that the following comment was pretty clear, and clearly ruled out "people new to the hobby"
If you truly understand the dynamics of keeping fish within a closed system, there is no need to be constantly testing established set ups.

I didn't realise that everyone reading this discussion was wet behind the ears, and so new that they couldn't understand the point that I was attempting to make.

BUT LETS NOT FORGET YOU TAP CAN CHANGE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, SO OCCASIONAL TESTING (WEEKLY-BIWEEKLY) IS A SMART THING TO DO.

Personal comments aside, F1 - I agree that IF ones core values in their tap water drastically change throughout the year, then constant monitoring is a good idea, and is something that I have always advocated over the years - including here on MFK.

But those types of chemical changes aren't going to be picked up by a nitrate test purchased at your LFS, which is what my previous comment was based upon - nitrate testing.
 
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