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In the disease section as we speak there's a thread entitled "cichlids keep dying after 2 weeks". It's at post #35 and we've threw everything at it and it's still not clear what's going on with the guys tank. We've had a steady flow of "add ons" from the OP as the thread progressed but nothing, it seems, to enable us to nail it.

It's threads like this, and there's been so so many, that prompted me to start this thread in the first place. And there really is no easy way to deal with it.

The regular active members here who know the score will most probably give all the details required if they ever have a problem with their fish, which is great.

But first time posters and relative newbies who are finding their way will most likely go down the route that has us pulling our hair out until, they too, become familiar with the way things work and they will then learn what's required when posting about sick fish.

Does that mean that eventually everyone will be at the same level regarding what's required? Absolutely not, because we always have new blood joining us so the problem is never going to go away.

A paragraph to read through prompting the OP to give adequate info will probably, as thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter said, get ignored in time. A template to fill in with masses of info would be a big turn off.

I suspect, even after all the discussion we've had, things will pretty much remain the same. A thread will start with little or no info and it will be down to us to start the conversation with the OP and whittle away until we crack it.

At the end of the day like Chicxulub Chicxulub said very early on, it's good to have an healthy discussion as long as it dosen't get out of hand. And like I said, it's a forum, and we chew the fat.

But as a footnote, if someone can come up with a viable way of improving the situation then kudos to them.
 

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In the disease section as we speak there's a thread entitled "cichlids keep dying after 2 weeks". It's at post #35 and we've threw everything at it and it's still not clear what's going on with the guys tank. We've had a steady flow of "add ons" from the OP as the thread progressed but nothing, it seems, to enable us to nail it.

It's threads like this, and there's been so so many, that prompted me to start this thread in the first place. And there really is no easy way to deal with it.

The regular active members here who know the score will most probably give all the details required if they ever have a problem with their fish, which is great.

But first time posters and relative newbies who are finding their way will most likely go down the route that has us pulling our hair out until, they too, become familiar with the way things work and they will then learn what's required when posting about sick fish.

Does that mean that eventually everyone will be at the same level regarding what's required? Absolutely not, because we always have new blood joining us so the problem is never going to go away.

A paragraph to read through prompting the OP to give adequate info will probably, as thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter said, get ignored in time. A template to fill in with masses of info would be a big turn off.

I suspect, even after all the discussion we've had, things will pretty much remain the same. A thread will start with little or no info and it will be down to us to start the conversation with the OP and whittle away until we crack it.

At the end of the day like Chicxulub Chicxulub said very early on, it's good to have an healthy discussion as long as it dosen't get out of hand. And like I said, it's a forum, and we chew the fat.

But as a footnote, if someone can come up with a viable way of improving the situation then kudos to them.
I'm going to see if I came make that mandatory info required only for new MFKers. I haven't tried anything like that before, not sure how that will play out.
 
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I'm going to see if I came make that mandatory info required only for new MFKers. I haven't tried anything like that before, not sure how that will play out.
But how will the site differentiate between new and not new members? Post count? Time since joining? Both?
Something like 100 post plus having been. Member for 6 months sounds like it could work on paper.
 

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But how will the site differentiate between new and not new members? Post count? Time since joining? Both?
Something like 100 post plus having been. Member for 6 months sounds like it could work on paper.
I'd probably make it post count just because if you're signed up for a year but not interacting, I can't be sure if you're "getting it" or not. If I limit it by posts, then they have to go through the motion a few times before they lose the requirement in posting.
 
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What about a template in the Illness Stickies that any member can copy and paste into the OP's topic? It would save a lot of typing on any responder's behalf.
 
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What about a template in the Illness Stickies that any member can copy and paste into the OP's topic? It would save a lot of typing on any responder's behalf.
There was one created a while ago. Think created by oddball.
 

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OK. If y'all so worried about the turn off... how about just a two questions questionnaire? Ammonia and nitrite by a liquid test tube kit. That alone could greatly simplify 1/2 to 3/4 of all rookie questions about sick fish or not feeding fish.

I'd not discriminate between young and seasoned. First, it smells wrong - no one is above the law sort of thing. Second, I know I myself have been lazy to measure ammonia and nitrite at the first sign of trouble and was cocky and just went to ask the forum. Then I measured the water and voila, hello Mr. Ammonia! Stupid, arrogant "seasoned keeper".

What about a template in the Illness Stickies that any member can copy and paste into the OP's topic? It would save a lot of typing on any responder's behalf.
I was thinking precisely the same. To make up my own list of questions. Like in my first post in this thread. At least to try out. How bad can it be? Right? haha...
 

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I feel a little out of place even presenting an opinion, as I am a relative newcomer to MFK. I usually won't weigh in on one of "those" threads unless all or most of the info is presented properly...and even then I tend to wait and usually see someone else make the suggestion I was about to put forward. Threads that start with something like "I think my fish are sad..." get a hard pass.

My vote, for what it's worth, would be for a mandatory questionnaire in a sub-forum specifically devoted to "Help me with my fish" questions. I don't think the questions listed in post#6 of this thread are excessive; in fact, I would add a couple more. What foods are being used? How are the fish responding to those items? What kind of substrate is used? How much and what type of fish-keeping experience does the poster have?

Will it be ignored or poorly-utilized by many? Absolutely. There are always going to be folks who are too lazy to provide basic info, not much to be done about that. If answers are required to each question, then the number of times the answer is "unknown" is, in itself, useful information...or at least a significant clue. And of course there will be those keepers who provide all the info, but rather than actually wanting the correct answer they really want someone to say what they already want to hear. Can't help that one either.

Just my opinion, worth exactly what it costs! :)
 

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I'm not quite sure of the %'s, it'd take one hell of a lot of digging to get an answer, but i'd bet that the vast majority of fishy problems are associated with the basic stuff. So rather than have a questionnaire that is so detailled it rivals the thickness of a telephone book, why don't we have an halfway house measure where we all agree what the top 10 or so basic questions would be and tag the questions into a pop up type thingy. I don't know what the technical jargon is, captain caveman is more clued up on this stuff than me! That alone would be a positive step in the right direction and we can always tweak it accordingly.

Another thing, this one's a right stinker too. If the arowana or polypterus guys for example have a problem, they don't post in the communal disease section, they just post in their own section where all the knowledgeable like minded guys are. I'm not knocking them because this makes perfect sense to me but dosen't help us with how we go about solving our problem.

Would we have a questionnaire in each fishy section or let the specialised guys, who many will be seasoned hobbyists anyway, just leave them be and concentrate on more general fare that the not so seasoned are likely to throw at us?
 
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If I were to make a questionnaire, it might require these things ,


feel free to add important info I forgot, or clarify anything I haven't made obvious





Water parameters…..


pH….tank and tap…before and after water changes
Ammonia ppm
nitrite ppm
nitrate ….ppm……..before and after water changes.


Water source, municipal or private
How is it disinfected? Chlorine, Chloramine or non disinfected
tank temp





Average Water changes on tank(s)…….
how much
how often
size of tank





Stock …..
What species
how many, and estimated size of each (not just sick ones)





filtration
type?
…….canister
…….HOB
…….Sump
How often are they cleaned, how are they cleaned?
other





Disease Symptoms….are fish ……
lethargic…
bloated
spots
fuzzy patches (where on the body)
exces slime
distorted features
color changes
cloudy swollen eyes
is/was there aggression between species?

were fish quarantined before being added to tank?
Did the tank experience and previous disease out breaks?
 
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