Inquiry of Cuban Cichlids - Split Posts

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as far as al the technical jargon that you posted i am not going to speak on ,but one thing i can tell you is that when i moved from canada and had my cuban male(pet store male not sure of the f number)i brought it with me and they didnt even question me on it or any other fish i had. not sure if anyone else has a similar experience i can only speak for myself, if any one had a different experience then by all means let me know,because i dont think i have ben just lucky as many times i have crossed the border while moving with my fish and have not been questioned(nobody is that lucky)i think they have other things to worry about than some fish.
 
By "technical jargon" you must be referring to the law describing the US trade embargo with Cuba that MM posted.

So would importing, for example, weed be legal if they didn't stop you?

"as far as al the technical jargon that you posted i am not going to speak on ,but one thing i can tell you is that when i moved from canada and had my <weed> i brought it with me and they didnt even question me on it or any other <drugs> i had. not sure if anyone else has a similar experience i can only speak for myself, if any one had a different experience then by all means let me know,because i dont think i have ben just lucky as many times i have crossed the border while moving with my <weed> and have not been questioned(nobody is that lucky)i think they have other things to worry about than some <weed>."

I really don't care. I'd love it if Cuba was open. Nice beaches and cigars, among other things ;)

Matt
 
If you brought back Cuban cigars and they didn't question you on it it wouldn't make it legal.

Seeing as your Cuban was tank raised and not from Cuba you were totally in your rights.

And dogofwar you're completely correct, being wild has nothing to do with it as long as it came from Cuba.

I've sent Oliver an email as he's the one who supposedly supplied the wild Cubans. I've asked about collection locale, importing into the USA, etc.
 
how did we get from fish to drugs,I guess i will be the adult here. Have a good night everyone. If anyone wants to still speak on this(it seems like no one cares anyway)and have any other experiences or knowledge of bringing fish from canada i would still like to hear about it,but i an done with this guys nonsense.
 
buddha1200;4450928; said:
as far as al the technical jargon that you posted i am not going to speak on ,but one thing i can tell you is that when i moved from canada and had my cuban male(pet store male not sure of the f number)i brought it with me and they didnt even question me on it or any other fish i had. not sure if anyone else has a similar experience i can only speak for myself, if any one had a different experience then by all means let me know,because i dont think i have ben just lucky as many times i have crossed the border while moving with my fish and have not been questioned(nobody is that lucky)i think they have other things to worry about than some fish.
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I care. My original question was in response to your statement referencing research you performed. Is it just your experience moving from Canada? I made a mistake and misread your post- I thought you had some info.
 
btw modest man if they didnt ask if it was tank raised or not how would they know,they didnt even ask what kind of fish i had they just looked in the coolers.this is rather boring now.thought you guys would have alittle more of an intellegent conversation,than dog of war changing my post around to say what you want it to say,guess i was wrong good night. (you can change that to say what you want also if that makes you feel as though you are right)
 
They wouldn't know. But there isn't an ignorance clause in the law.

A law is a LAW. Regardless of how stupid it is. (Cuban embargo, Asian arrowana's, piranha illegal in Washington, etc.)
 
Clearly my post was to illustrate that being successful - even several times - in smuggling something illegal across the border doesn't make it "legal"...

You learn something new every day. I knew little to nothing about our trade embargo with Cuba. Now - after this thread - I know a little more.

Take care,
Matt

buddha1200;4450996; said:
btw modest man if they didnt ask if it was tank raised or not how would they know,they didnt even ask what kind of fish i had they just looked in the coolers.this is rather boring now.thought you guys would have alittle more of an intellegent conversation,than dog of war changing my post around to say what you want it to say,guess i was wrong good night. (you can change that to say what you want also if that makes you feel as though you are right)
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cuban cichlids are not illegal. Show me one link,post,web site that says CUBAN CICHLIDS are illegal in the us. if they are not illegal how is that smuggling.:screwy:maybe i am just misunderstanding what you are trying to say, are you saying cuban cichlids are illegal,because if they are not how can you smuggle something that is not illegal and how can you get fined for something that is not illegal. I dont know of any one who got arrested for smuggling something that was not illegal. as i said before NONSENSE
 
I don't think there is a big enough market for wild cuban cichlids for there to be any exporting done. Anyone who wishes to start a business doing so would not last very long. Most, if not all of the wild cuban cichlids that have entered the US were most likely brought in by a hobbyist or scientist for personal purposes.

The embargo on Cuba has been in place for almost 50 years! When did Cubans first take to the scene? I don't mean when were they discovered or observed, but when were they actually considered a sought after ornamental fish? For the most part there wasn't too much interest in CA/SA cichlids until the 80's, so technically speaking they should never have entered the country, if there is no way of getting them in.

Also, you don't have to personally bring the fish into the US. There's this amazing thing called international shipping, in which you can ship to and from places like Canada and Europe. Cubans are not illegal in the US! And as long as the fish weren't "purchased" in/from Cuba(ie. European tourist/ hobbyist catches a box full and brings them back with him), someone from Europe, or Canada would have no problem selling/shipping them to the US. But like I said before, there really isn't a big market for these fish, and especially to purchase them wild caught. Most people, including myself, would not go through the trouble(mainly $$) to get wild cubans. So if, and when they do find themselves in the US, I can promise you, there will not be enough of them to raise any flags, anywhere. If there was that much business in Cuban cichlids, I'm sure the US would be more than happy to add them to the list of illegal species.

Now, DOW, I don't think your question was whether these fish can get into the US, but rather questioning whether the OP of the other thread's fish are truly wild. This I cannot answer, nor do I really care. But I think we can agree that if someone truly want's to get these fish wild, it wouldn't be extremely hard to do.
 
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