Inquiry of Cuban Cichlids - Split Posts

[buddha1200]

I searched the regulation for "fish", "reptile" and "bird" and nada.

AS I understand, it would be illegal to bring fancy guppies or F200 cuban cichlids purchased or acquired in Cuba into the US (whether thru Canada or directly)...

Matt

once again this would be saying anyone with cuban cichlids has an illegal fish,you said you researched that answer. So are cuban cichlids legal or illegal. you apparently have done the research. oh i forgot the law doesn't say they are. "nada"

 

[buddha1200]

well off to work,it was nice chatting with you guys. have a great day.

 

[dogofwar]

Here are the rules:
http://treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/cuba/cuba.pdf

http://www.fdic.gov/news/news/financial/2003/FIL0337a.pdf

This is the part of the US Office of Treasury that enforces the law...
http://www.treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/faq/index.shtml

Cuban Cichlids, per se, aren't illegal. Goods acquired in Cuba and brought to the US, whether directly or through another country, according to what I've read, are.

As I said before, I can't speak to the legality of whether offspring of animals acquired legally from Cuba...and then brought into the US would still be prohibited...or whether there's a statute of limitations...or what the (Cuban) laws are for removing animals from their country...

I'm frankly more interested in having a valid collection location that I can google and see pictures of where the fish were caught...

Matt

once again this would be saying anyone with cuban cichlids has an illegal fish,you said you researched that answer. So are cuban cichlids legal or illegal. you apparently have done the research. oh i forgot the law doesn't say they are. "nada"

 

[Modest_Man]

Well I got an email from Oliver which is who MTN PIKE supposedly got her wild cuban from and this is what he said.

HI Jamie,

I am not sure how the US legislation is applied, so i do not know. I import from Cuba, but i avoid bringing in Cuban cichlids since i have no customers for them, once or twice a year they come in anyways and we usually get stuck with them for months.



I am in South America at the moment, but i will send you alist when i am back in 2 weeks,



O.

Nice of him to get back to me so quickly, and when he's out of the country too.

 

[buddha1200]

so your number one source doesn't know either. So it just proved wild cubans are around and it just is no market for them just like nemesis said in his earlier post. INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING is not illegal between canada and the usa. so who's to say that some one can buy a wild cuban from oliver and send it to someone in the us,(that mean someone can get a wild cuban easy as i said) The bottom line is cubans are only illegal if you buy directly from cuba.

 

[Nemesis]

According to this logic, it would be OK to find some tobacco plants in Cuba, harvest them (yourself) and bring them back to the US (or through Canada to the US). You just saw the plants - they were by your hotel - and took them...no money changed hands, right?

This begs the questions:
- Did you have a permit (from Cuba) to harvest the tobacco?
- What's keeping people from collecting all sorts of wildlife from Cuba, if it's free for the taking?
- Why aren't more people doing it?

Matt

Technically speaking yes. You haven't broken any US laws. But I don't think the Cuban government would be very happy if they found out you were doing it. And you don't really just walk down the street and find some tobacco growing. So in your case, you would've had to either stole it, or purchased it from a farmer. Both of which are illegal.

There is a much greater demand for Cuban cigars, than there is for their cichlids, just as Oliver stated. There are not enough people interested in them for any government to really care. I'm sure you would have problems taking certain marine fish, exotic birds, and possibly certain reptiles though.

You can transport goods that you claim to not have purchased? How does your cousin prove that he did not purchase those transported goods? Just claim he did not?

As long as he doesn't use his credit card for anything, how can anyone prove he did purchase them? And it will show up in the system that he was not the one who purchased the tickets. It would have been a lot harder to do 20 years ago. Reagan even tried to put into law, that US citizens were not to be allowed to travel to Cuba, and it was thrown out.

But this topic is kind of irrelevant to this thread, so I'll stop derailing, and let you guys get back to the "original" topic at hand.

 

[dogofwar]

...Just like Cuban Cigars are only illegal if you buy them directly from Cuba, right????

That they're Cuban cichlids or guppies or pink kissers is irrelevant. What matters - according to the regulations - is whether they originated in Cuba.

Matt

so your number one source doesn't know either. So it just proved wild cubans are around and it just is no market for them just like nemesis said in his earlier post. INTERNATIONAL SHIPPING is not illegal between canada and the usa. so who's to say that some one can buy a wild cuban from oliver and send it to someone in the us,(that mean someone can get a wild cuban easy as i said) The bottom line is cubans are only illegal if you buy directly from cuba.

 

[dogofwar]

B. Importing Cuban-origin goods or services​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]"No goods or services of Cuban origin (including most souvenirs) may be imported into the United States either directly or through third countries such as Canada or Mexico. The only exceptions are information or informational materials such as publications or certain artwork, defined in section 515.332 of the Regulations."

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[Gruff Master]

This dead horse has been beaten long enough!

 

[flowerpower]

This is a silly conversation.

B. Importing Cuban-origin goods or services​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]"No goods or services of Cuban origin (including most souvenirs) may be imported into the United States either directly or through third countries such as Canada or Mexico. The only exceptions are information or informational materials such as publications or certain artwork, defined in section 515.332 of the Regulations."

Page 14 of http://treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/cuba/cuba.pdf
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If this issue concerns you so much, why no scrutiny over any of the cubans available in the hobby for the last 20-30 years? These don't predate the embargo do they?
Leave this man and his fish alone.

I must say though, I don't know whether the comparison between cuban cichlids and cuban cigars was a joke or not but it made me laugh and, at the same time, caused me to make a comparison of my own.

McCarthyism is the political action of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.