Inquiry of Cuban Cichlids - Split Posts

[dogofwar]

I have no knowledge of any other wild cuban cichlids (or any other fish from cuba) that have been available in the US any time since I've been keeping fish (25+ years).

Someone posts pictures of "wild" fish from cuba. You gotta believe that people are gonna ask questions...

What I don't understand is all of the defensiveness, subterfuge, rationalization, and misunderstanding of plain english documents.

So from this thread I've learned a lot about the US embargo on cuban goods.

What I haven't learned about is:

• Whether (and what is) the process for legally getting fish from Cuba (I'd love some ramsdeni!)
• The accurate collection location for the fish in question
• What cuban cichlid biotypes look like
• The state of habitats
• What other fish are found with them

Matt

This is a silly conversation.

If this issue concerns you so much, why no scrutiny over any of the cubans available in the hobby for the last 20-30 years? These don't predate the embargo do they?
Leave this man and his fish alone.

I must say though, I don't know whether the comparison between cuban cichlids and cuban cigars was a joke or not but it made me laugh and, at the same time, caused me to make a comparison of my own.

McCarthyism is the political action of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence.

 

[Nemesis]

B. Importing Cuban-origin goods or services​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman]"No goods or services of Cuban origin (including most souvenirs) may be imported into the United States either directly or through third countries such as Canada or Mexico. The only exceptions are information or informational materials such as publications or certain artwork, defined in section 515.332 of the Regulations."

Page 14 of http://treas.gov/offices/enforcement/ofac/programs/cuba/cuba.pdf
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The key word here is import: The term "import" is derived from the conceptual meaning as to bring in the goods and services into the port of a country. The buyer of such goods and services is referred to an "importer" who is based in the country of import whereas the overseas based seller is referred to as an "exporter".[1] Thus an import is any good (e.g. a commodity) or service brought in from one country to another country in a legitimate fashion, typically for use in trade. It is a good that is brought in from another country for sale.

This dead horse has been beaten long enough!

Point taken. I'm done

 

[dogofwar]

...so you're saying that the regulation that I provided only applies to things sourced in Cuba that are then sold?

That makes no sense.

If that were the case, then people could bring back boxes of Cuban cigars for their own use (not for sale!)...

Matt

The key word here is import: The term "import" is derived from the conceptual meaning as to bring in the goods and services into the port of a country. The buyer of such goods and services is referred to an "importer" who is based in the country of import whereas the overseas based seller is referred to as an "exporter".[1] Thus an import is any good (e.g. a commodity) or service brought in from one country to another country in a legitimate fashion, typically for use in trade. It is a good that is brought in from another country for sale.



Point taken. I'm done

 

[Nemesis]

...so you're saying that the regulation that I provided only applies to things sourced in Cuba that are then sold?

That makes no sense.

If that were the case, then people could bring back boxes of Cuban cigars for their own use (not for sale!)...

Matt

But the only way you would be able to get a box of Cuban cigars, would be to purchase them. Which would be illegal to do. There are so many people looking to profit off of Cuban cigars, that even if you were to say they were a gift, and are for personal use, you still would most likely not be able to bring them over. It's kind of absurd to compare a cichlid, tone of the most sought after tobacco products in the world.

There are also ways of getting permits from the US to travel to Cuba. I'm not sure of the requirements, but people who do have the permits were allowed to bring one box of Cuban cigars into the US so long as they were for personal use.

There are many laws with holes, or that are simply overlooked, until someone severely breaks them. If there suddenly were a huge demand for Cubans, and there were hundreds of these fish entering the US from Cuba, then we may have a problem.

 

[stuckinthemiddle]

Has the OP answered the original question?

 

[dogofwar]

Of course not.

Has the OP answered the original question?