I came home from work today to find a growth on my biggest koi's nose that looks like a pimple from some of the research I've done so far it looks like its carp pox....just wondering if anyone has dealt with something like this before.
Is it Carp Pox??
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Never had any issues like that with mine. What was the recommended course of treatment?
Never had any issues like that with mine. What was the recommended course of treatment?
TMartinez;4993796; said:
I'm not saying this is carp pox, but if it is then there is no treatment. You can surgically remove the lesions but this will not rid the fish of the virus (herpesvirus-1) which causes carp pox. I have been told the only way to keep this from spreading to the other fish is to destroy the infected fish and its environment.
"Carp pox is actually a herpes virus: herpes virus cyprini. Macroscopically, it produces whitish, opalescent, very hard bumps on the external surface of the fish signs very similar to those produced by about two dozen other common fish diseases. Thus, only a virological analysis can determine the presence of carp pox."
Can you get a better pic of the fish's mouth. I doubt that you fish actually has carp pox. More likely a bacteria infection from smashing or cutting it's nose on some thing in the tank.
Carp pox is becoming more common in koi now a days. I have a fish that is COVERED in carp pox. When the water warms up it goes away a bit, but in the winter there is no hiding it.
I have scraped it off, and it has not infected any other koi.
Carp Pox rarely spreads to other koi.
The only real threat that is not treatable and will kill your other fish is KHV.
I have scraped it off, and it has not infected any other koi.
Carp Pox rarely spreads to other koi.
The only real threat that is not treatable and will kill your other fish is KHV.
mshill90;5001318; said:
Are you sure your fish has Carp Pox? I was doing some reading and ran across Cold Water Ick. It looks just like carp pox, gets better with warmer water and can be removed with the scrape of a finger nail. From what I have read there are several different disease that look just like CP and the only real way to tell it to have the fish in question tested. How did you determine that your fish have CP
Now this is just what I have read. Do not quote me. If you can elaborate I would appreciate it.
I studied koi for 4 years, and I just passed my KHA (koi health adviser) certification last summer.
I have 1 koi serology tested each year out of the batches I have ever brought in. Right now I have 6 batches- so 6 fish get tested every year. And each year it's a different fish out of the group. My carp pox guy was one of the ones tested. I draw the blood, and ship it to the University of GA.
I keep a microscope on hand as well in the event that they need treated, I will know what they have so I know what to treat them with.
The OP pics does NOT look like carp pox. It looks like the koi ran into the glass and "broke it's nose"- It should heal up no problem. Essentially koi should NOT be kept in aquariums, and the OP will realize that this is going to happen often.
As for Carp Pox, it's a squishy jello like feel and it can be white or pink- I have seen several fish with diagnosed Carp Pox (including my own) and it has always been this way.
I can tell you know- from owning over 100 koi currently, and from knowing koi farm owners that carp pox RARELY transfers to other fish/koi. It will not hurt, or kill the fish, and it's not going to infect anything it comes in contact with.. It will simply make the fish look ugly.
Cold water ich looks just like regular ich, but it needs to be treated differently, as heat/salt and malachite green will not work.
If I can snap a pic of my carp pox koi I will gladly post it.
I have 1 koi serology tested each year out of the batches I have ever brought in. Right now I have 6 batches- so 6 fish get tested every year. And each year it's a different fish out of the group. My carp pox guy was one of the ones tested. I draw the blood, and ship it to the University of GA.
I keep a microscope on hand as well in the event that they need treated, I will know what they have so I know what to treat them with.
The OP pics does NOT look like carp pox. It looks like the koi ran into the glass and "broke it's nose"- It should heal up no problem. Essentially koi should NOT be kept in aquariums, and the OP will realize that this is going to happen often.
As for Carp Pox, it's a squishy jello like feel and it can be white or pink- I have seen several fish with diagnosed Carp Pox (including my own) and it has always been this way.
I can tell you know- from owning over 100 koi currently, and from knowing koi farm owners that carp pox RARELY transfers to other fish/koi. It will not hurt, or kill the fish, and it's not going to infect anything it comes in contact with.. It will simply make the fish look ugly.
Cold water ich looks just like regular ich, but it needs to be treated differently, as heat/salt and malachite green will not work.
If I can snap a pic of my carp pox koi I will gladly post it.
mshill90;5001436; said:
Thanks
From what I have read most Koi have built up an immune to CP and that is why it is not easily transmitted from fish to fish. Is this right?
bigbadfish711;5001478; said:
From my experience, I've not found a definite answer- I have found that it's a variation of things.. but mostly breeding lines/genes.
The first thing with any fish/animal with contracting a disease is it's immunity, and it's immunity a lot of the time is determined by it's blood line/genes.
I have koi from several different places:
Blackwater Creek Koi, Blue Ridge Koi, SJ Koi, Sundan Koi- and a breeder in GA that kinda just tried it out to see what happened.
The Koi from Blue Ridge have had the most mortality rates. And this has not been determined just by me alone. The fish I have with Carp Pox also came from this farm. This farm doesn't pull ponds much because they have so many they don't need to, so the koi are spawning with fish from their own "litter" so to speak.
As of now- I ONLY get fish from Blackwater Creek- they have shown to have the best lines as far as immunity to disease; handling stress; pattern; growth; spawning rates. This is a top notch breeding facility for American Bred Koi.
With carp pox I have found that it's all got to do with the breeding/lines. Think of EBJD's- they are more susceptible to everything more than JD's, as they are of a mutation/inbred variation.
Hope I kinda made sense.
