Is the hobby slowly dwindling?

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A few years back, I'd be able to find most fish I was looking for simply by trawling through most larger online retail stores, or requesting orders through my LFS and local wholesalers. Nowadays it seems as though it's virtually impossible to find even half the fish I'm looking for, unless I play the waiting game and somehow end up getting lucky. Fish stores seem to be slowly deteriorating in quality (though they never were really comparable to private importers and breeders IME), and I've watched several close down in the last decade or so. Importers don't seem to be getting as wide a variety of fish anymore, with several either going out of the business altogether or downsizing significantly. New species aren't being imported as much as they were in the late 1900s -early 2000s, and the ones that are don't seem like much other than a slightly recoloured version of a preexisting species, in my ignorant eyes. It seems as though each passing year brings along more export restrictions, collection bans, keeping bans, etc. It's been getting harder and harder to source large groups of uncommon fish for lower prices; and oftentimes I find myself passing over fish that have been on my wishlist- and bucket list, too- simply because the prices are so oddly foreign to me that it's rather difficult to comprehend, and I subconsciously ignore the modern rarity of said fish, assuming that I can better prices elsewhere. I don't know how many times I've ended up mentally bashing myself for passing up deals that seemed terrible at the time but are now practically impossible to even comprehend.

On the contrary, tank-bred fish seem to be more prevalent nowadays, with dropping prices and wider selections. Not sure what to think of it, to be honest; I'm personally much more fond of WC fish, especially for breeding projects, and will intentionally go out of my way to pay more for them, even though there might be hundreds of tank-bred specimens on the market. But nowadays, it's coming to a point where it's virtually impossible to buy wild-caught over tank-bred, simply because the difference in cost is far beyond any reasonable justification on part of the WC fish- for instance, people have been selling mature WC L183s for literal hundreds- just recently I've seen three proven trios go for $600 each!- while small captive-bred specimens can be found for as low as $20 per fish (and ~$100 per CB adult, it seems).

Now I'm left wondering what the future of the hobby will look like; it certainly doesn't seem like many of the younger generations seem to be interested in the nuances of fishkeeping, and with fish selections seemingly on the decline, what will the next few decades have in store for those dedicated fishkeepers still around?
Or maybe I'm overthinking the whole thing and nothing of much significance is really happening.

It doesn't seem like just fish, either; a lot of other things (like power tools and lightbulbs, and cast iron skillets for that matter) seem to be lowering in diversity until it's just those few "big name" brands that practically hold a monopoly over a store (and of course, it's problems with bankruptcy, increasing manufacturing costs, problems with supply reliability, increase in transportation costs, etc. Applies to fish as well, I reckon) But since I put more focus into fish instead of frying pans, I figured it'd be worth asking about the future of the hobby.

Any thoughts?
 
Yes I believe that prices are going up. However idk where you are located but the lfs I go to is half wild caught fish and there is always something new whenever I go. ( last time it was a four eyed fish which was super cool) I think we just need to keep showing the younger generations how cool and awesome this hobby is so they can realize it for themselves. I have wanted to get into fish since I was 3 years old and I’m sure that there are others just like that out there.
 
Well it is all relative, many fish stores had to close due to 2020. Many countries such as Peru have set implications in order to protect their native fish populations and vouch for more aquaculture exports. But yes I agree, it did seem as though there used to be more new fish in a fish store every week, even just a few short years ago. Maybe we are just discovering all the ones worth importing. I know, at least around me, I am one of the only people who keeps the stuff I keep. As for prices going up I believe that to be a combination of both rival companies going out of business and the shipping cost to bring them to the US and the distribute them to the stores. No matter what, I am determined the fish hobby will always be full of strong willed individuals who will not let this hobby die. Some importers have lost their livelihood and have to condense their operation while others such as my buddy Wes have taken advantage of the likes of Covid and things like that.
 
Seems to me, the young aquarists these days are more interested in creating their own, or buying, man made (induced) fish than acquiring legitimate species, (maybe it's because they grew up on Pokemon). Even though there are already 3,000 real cichlids world wide.
I found in most LFSs these days, one can not trust that any species are legitimate, a contaminated mutt, or even identifiable, which was an important factor for me back when breeding fish. Obviously I find mutts/hybrids are a scourge, but I'm a dinosaur.
So (among other reasons) I moved to Panama to catch my own "real cichlids", and/or to get real cichlids I had to order. from a trusted sources.

To me BPs, FHs, or even EBs, are not legitimate cichlids.

But these mutts seem to be the future of the hobby.

But brick and mortar in all facets of business is the past for many reasons
 
Our hobby, as wonderful as it is, has always been a niche hobby, and that niche is undoubtedly diminishing as time goes by, for a whole host of reasons.

I'd counter the question, "is the hobby slowly dwindling", with another question, "has the hobby ever been in a place where it was truly thriving!"

We've always had our backs against the wall for one reason or another.
 
The hobby is clearly evolving towards less brick and mortar fish stores and more internet sales. Prices have doubled or more on most fish and aquarium equipment in LFS in response to significantly higher energy prices since 2020. Since our hobby is dependent on shipping it is very closely tied to fuel prices. Hopefully our government can implement effective policies which significantly lower fuel prices which should result in noticeably lower prices for fish hobbyists.

I miss the old days of numerous LFS each containing a myriad of oddball fish of all types. Sadly, the big box stores such as Petsmart and Petco with their more efficient supply chains and economies of scale have slowly but inexorably driven most LFS out of business. Fortunately, the internet has opened up a new venue to locate and purchase exotic fish.
 
*I am using fishes here as a common name, I am aware that Tetrapods are technically included in “fish” but here the term refer to aquatic Chordate with no terrestrial ancestor*

People have less viable space and time now and more options, Time and space are more limited and considering how heavy aquariums are
(especially one for the fishes we keep/want to keep here) it is not an ideal option in condominium,
People also moves a lot more often as well and moving an aquarium and it’s inhabitant is not easy especially when it is done on almost annual basis.

I remember that a few years back Reptiles hobby was booming then Amphibians then after that Invertebrates which seem to be the current growing vivarium-type-hobby, there are trends toward less maintenance, space (and weight) as people have less and less of these resources available to them.

Then there are the matter of an exposure, We can take lizards, snakes, insects, arachnids, frogs, etc. to a show and expo and people get to see how interesting they are and want one themselves but not so much fishes and even if we tried it wouldn’t exacly show the appeal of an aquarium either all we can show is stressed out fishes or curious fishes that hadn’t settled into their new environment yet,

For me one of the biggest appeal of the aquarium is the fact that we have piece of nature to observe, I heard that term a lot in other vivarium hobby as well but aquarium is the most prominant in that regard, with other animals we are huge stimuli they smell us, hear us and see us then they react,
A fishes however may come to the front to wait for food for awhile but after few minutes they would go back to whatever they are doing not to mention that we can house most fishes in a community tank, biodiversity in average aquariums are far greater than that of other type of vivarium,
We are truly an outsiders looking into the world of the animals we keep, something which other type of vivarium can’t provide (except maybe fossorial animals living underground but then the light itself stress them out and modify their behavior so I still prefer aquarium)
It is a relaxing experience to just sit look at the aquarium for hours not looking for something in specific, our eyes are not fixed on certain animal or spot in the enclosure but our peripheral vision dart around at everything interesting that is going on independently, it is a good change of pace from most of our day job where we stare and focus on task,
I find that when I look into a reptiles or amphibians vivarium I find myself staring at animals waiting for them to do something or be excited seeing them doing cool things, not often that I would sit back and relax like I did with aquariums, not to say aquarium is not exciting of course seeing Mahseer feeding is certainly exciting but that is not the default state,
(Irony being that most of my favorite fishes are large and interactive fishes like Rays, Catfishes and Arowanas but for me those are more of a pet than hobby, although a large naturalistic Arowanas set-up is certainly something I want to do in the future)

These charms I believe can’t be conveyed through a video or an expo or even a conversation with an enthusiast, And I doubt we invite a strangers into our house often either, combine that with the massive sacrifice required to keep an aquarium compared to other type of vivarium and only the true fans remain, and the new fans are only born is when someone is in a public aquarium on a low traffic day with nothing better to do so they spend a long time watching the aquariums without the “I gotta see all the animals” or “I want this fishes let me google everything I can about it” mind set, which is unlikely considering even I find myself bringing up phone to look up the info when I noticed an interesting fishes instead of looking the the aquarium containing said fishes, it took me until the third visit in the same aquarium to calm down and sit back watching fishes do their things,
The prices of the fishes are going up not because the demands goes up but rather because people who are still in the hobby are willing to pay more.

The cost of the aquarium is no longer just the price of the glass box and pumps anymore, it is a sacrifice of opportunity, I am willing to make that sacrifice because I know the appeal of the aquarium hobby, but for people who never had that opportunity to appreciate it the lower maintenance and more interactivity of other vivarium hobby is more appealing by far.
 
Seems to me, the young aquarists these days are more interested in creating their own, or buying, man made (induced) fish than acquiring legitimate species, (maybe it's because they grew up on Pokemon)
Duanes, could you elaborate more on the Pokémon comment? I’m not understanding what you’re trying to say and I wish to understand as I grew up on Pokémon (and am still playing to this day).
 
Duanes, could you elaborate more on the Pokémon comment? I’m not understanding what you’re trying to say and I wish to understand as I grew up on Pokémon (and am still playing to this day).
If I remember right, because I watched both my now adult sons grow up on, and become obsessed with Pokemon as kids. This indoctrination allowed for a subconscious acceptance of people thinking the random hybridization, or deformation of species was a good thing, maybe not an overt affection, but an unconscious acceptance allowing for delegitimization of natural species, into some anime life type forms, including BPs, gaudy colored, short body and non-robust, cramped organs, health compromised hybrids.
 
Don't know if it's dwindling or not but a fish is a great way to tell if you're ready for a baby. People say puppy...no, if you don't take care of it it'll crap in the house, bark, whine, etc.

If you don't care for your fish it'll just sadly suffer and die silently, like a baby would.
 
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