is there an obsession on this site for seeing one animal kill another

[Nova 8]

I don't feed live feeder nor do I recommend anyone to do it. As soon as I got my Jardini the first thing I did was get him off live feeders as the rule in my tank is eat what I give you or die. Others have a different view on this, some even believe live feeder to be the holy trinity of food. That is their choice and they can feed their fish what they choose. But it is not until I see videos that I get annoyed, killing of another creature should be done by need not for pleasure. It is when this line is cross that the person is doing something majorly wrong. If you have friends over and drop a fish in to show them how cool you big fish is when it eat another fish, or film it to get it viewed on the internet it is the same, thereis something wrong with you. Tryng to justify displaying the eating of live feeders with 'its natural' doesn't float well with me either, glass boxes are not natural.

Lastly, I would like to add that it is not the young who do this entirely. But rather all age groups, it is a type of person not age of person.

 

[MarlboroMan]

I think most of us as a younger person, would do almost anything to gain respect from fellow peers, and do not deny this. It is up to the individual to learn what they're doing is probally wrong, which I hope will improve.

 

[X24]

yes i am young, yes i like watching my fish eat feeders. you nailed that on the head, but just because i like watching that doesn't mean i like seeing things killed. i hunt, i fish, and i kill those that i catch sometimes for food. does that make me not care for animals? no! i still can't stand to see somebody hurt another person, or kill an animal slowly. if its one quick shot to the head, fine good job idc too much, but i don't wanna watch anything in pain.

i had to watch my grandma die slowly in a hospital room when they pulled the breathing tube out after she had a massive stroke, so don't you tell me i don't have any empathy just because i like watching a fish getting eaten!!!!!!

 

[bigcichntwisted]

i don`t know whether its just my age or i`m seeing things differently nowadays but there seems a sickness to my mind in todays hobby.
i cant believe how many people on this forum seem to delight in watching one fish eat another.
I`ve owned preds over the years and have fed them live fish when needs must but have always hated doing it.
I don`t want to be fed the spurrious argument that its replicating nature cos its not. prey animals have a chance to escape in the wild tipping one fish in with another in the confines of a tank is voyeuristic if it isn`t just a means to get a fish eating,
I find the lack of regard that some people here have for " prey animals " disturbing ,though i suspect many are young and haven`t yet developed the empathy factor that grownups develope.
Ive made mistakes and have marvelled at one fishes ability to swalow another but this deliberate destruction and in particular ill matched predator prey size is just sick in my mind,
Am i the only one here that thinks this! am i on the wrong site ?
i thought i was joining a forum that loved big fish not lets see fish suffering dot com .!
I`m 43 yo perhaps i`m just not down with the kids eh .or too old for these sorts of sites.

quote=darwengray: On this site is there an obsession for seeing one animal kill another. No, not intentionally, not in my opinion, but then again I exercise the choice to turn a channel, change the station, not open a thread, respond to a post, or link on something that appears questionable. So what if no one paid attention to the "sick" sort of posting's, would they continue, most likely, but that doesn't mean that there isn't just as much good that takes place here also, thank you ]V[FKer's. The opportunity to grow, learn & teach is still here in abundance. Isn't it what we choose to include & take part in, in our lives that matters most. These issues & issues like them are everywhere, unless you live in a cave. We may have to look harder to find what we're looking for, but that's not to say it doesn't exist & it's all bad.

Morals, values, recognition of mortality, for most of us, change for the better w/ time. For the most part this evolves due to the choice of our personal values, thru what we're taught & what we live thru. There are those however, that may not be taught or ever seek recognition of such in life, this is not to say that they will not have the same opportunity to do so, at some point we will all face the choice to do or not to do the "right" thing in life. All any one can do is try to speak up, in the most constructively positive manner as possible & try to help any one who chooses to accept it & most of all lead by example. It would appear that this is another one of life's many proving grounds. There will be some who make it & some who don't, but we all need to show encouragement where ever possible, to who ever is willing to accept it.

There will always be sickness on earth as we know it, but there will always be hope as well.

 

[Miguel]

Thank you. Exactly right. Depending on perspective, our fish live a good life compared to their wild counterparts. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K-selection)

This argument seems, at least to me, tottally unnaceptable. An animal is always best in the wild, where it was supposed to be in the firts place.
This line of reasoning, that an animal has a better life in our homes opens the door for wildlife collection activities.

Secondly, I would never compare MKF to the real gory sites, to the nests of ghetto frustration abd of pit-bull fish that abound in the internet.

Of course you have some of those guys around here but thankfully they don't stay for long.


Thirdly, I have nothing against feeders and live feeding. What I find an abomination ( and that is also why I am a fervent critic of things like You Tube that will end up having awfull results in the short term ) is the SNUFF element contained in those threads, films, whatevere..

 

[TheBloodyIrish]

Oh, and I do get a rush watching animals killing other animals, in the name of nature. What else would the discovery channel be showing? As for setting up fight/eating that will needlessly torture the feeder fish, that's just wrong and sadistic.

Well... they sure don't show animals as much anymore. It's all auto shows, experiments and different jobs.

Anyway, watching an animal slowly die or suffer an unnatural death is absolutely cruel to both the prey and predator. This is coming from a guy who has watched videos of live prey being forced down a predator's throat without killing it first.

I don't see a problem if a feeder die a relatively quick death in perspective of the predator, oppose to a slow death for the purpose of human entertainment. There is no big problem for me a snake to constrict a mouse or a goat, other than the concern that the prey in question will harm the snake, since it doesn't take long before its life expire. I still feed frozen just for safety though.

On the other hand, I see a big problem with scavengers, like piranhas, being fed live feeders since it can take a long time for them to kill the feeder.

 

[cichlaguapote]

quote=darwengray: On this site is there an obsession for seeing one animal kill another. No, not intentionally, not in my opinion, but then again I exercise the choice to turn a channel, change the station, not open a thread, respond to a post, or link on something that appears questionable. So what if no one paid attention to the "sick" sort of posting's, would they continue, most likely, but that doesn't mean that there isn't just as much good that takes place here also, thank you ]V[FKer's. The opportunity to grow, learn & teach is still here in abundance. Isn't it what we choose to include & take part in, in our lives that matters most. These issues & issues like them are everywhere, unless you live in a cave. We may have to look harder to find what we're looking for, but that's not to say it doesn't exist & it's all bad.

I didn't want to qoute your whole post for space reasons but I agree with it all.

On my behalf I will also say that the people endlessly posting videos of fish too large to be feeders and even mice being fed are the immature and the people who in 20 years will probably say "I kept fish 20 years ago" not that "I've been keeping fish for 20 years"

Believe it or not probably the majority of people on this site don't feed feeders. There are one or two where I see it ok with fish such as peacock bass as the feeders are way small. But most have resorted to market shrimp/prepared food diets. In fact you'll probably find more people here who think it's a PITA to feed feeders than people who enjoy doing so.

 

[Nabbig2]

Sometimes I do wonder whether one fish would kill another, but I never pit fish, or any other animals together to fight. That is wrong, dumb, and cruel.

 

[courtneem]

I agree that this site can get pretty childish at times. You have your responsible and sensible monster fish keepers that see the dirty deeds of the hobby and feed their larger fish with feeder fish and do not "brag" about it or think it is funny, just a part of what they have to do.

Even those that are amazed at what their fish can do and eat are okay.

There are those on this site that want the biggest and meanest fish they can get just like the those that have to have the biggest and meanest dog. It is a status for them, which is sad.

There are those that speak out against videos on youtube of fish being slowly killed in tank like "torture" yet there are some on here that do it and get off on it. Disgusting? yes.

I agree in the wild it is fair game and the chase that you can not do in a tank. However, fish need to eat.

Does not mean it needs to be a circus.

There are MANY great large fish owners on this site and you cant let the children and immature ones chase you off from the good owners on here.

 

[Miguel]

Tottally agreed with the above..