is there another...

[pwmin]

If you read the regulation again you will find the answer to why I'm about to say.... Um no you are very much not correct...

May does not mean you can and under the actual possession law you would be required to have a permit for the listed prohibited species if you are to keep them in a private aquarium.

I have read the regulation. There are 3 circumstances in which you may have them (already listed before)
1) Chapter 13 (collection permit)
2) Title 35, Article 80 (care facility)
3) private aquaria

This separates private aquaria from collection permits. Furthermore, it says nothing about a permit for private aquaria and nothing more about possession after the bolded portion I posted before.

If I'm wrong, then we need to take a closer look at some of our vendors.

 

[pwmin]

Compare it to this excerpt (from: "http://wildlife.state.co.us/NR/rdonlyres/4D6FFAC6-64EB-4516-A5E9-AE91B7392A95/0/Ch00.pdf") regarding Possession of Terrestrial Wildlife:
"#008 – POSSESSION OF TERRESTRIAL WILDLIFE
A. No person shall, at any time, have in possession or under control any wildlife caught, taken or
killed outside of this state which were caught, taken or killed at a time, in a manner, or for a
purpose, or in any other respect which is prohibited by the laws of the state, territory or
country in which the same were caught, taken or killed; or which were shipped out of said
state, territory or country in violation of the laws thereof.
B. The following terrestrial wildlife species or viable gametes (eggs and sperm) are hereby
determined to be detrimental to existing wildlife and their habitat in Colorado, and except as
authorized in writing by the Division of Wildlife in accordance with criteria in Commission
Regulation #1102(A)(4) and consideration of the potential for and adverse impacts of
hybridization with native wildlife, their possession is prohibited. Persons who have proof of
possession of those species listed in subsections 1 through 8 of this section prior to
September 1, 1990, may possess the following species for the life of the animal(s). These live
animals may not be transported, imported, sold, bartered or traded within Colorado. They
may be transported out of state according to state and federal regulations. All animals held
under the grandfather clause must be tagged, recorded, and reported as per Commission
Regulations #1106, #1109, and #1110."

 

[KaraJo]

Compare it to this excerpt (from: "http://wildlife.state.co.us/NR/rdonlyres/4D6FFAC6-64EB-4516-A5E9-AE91B7392A95/0/Ch00.pdf") regarding Possession of Terrestrial Wildlife:
"#008 – POSSESSION OF TERRESTRIAL WILDLIFE
A. No person shall, at any time, have in possession or under control any wildlife caught, taken or
killed outside of this state which were caught, taken or killed at a time, in a manner, or for a
purpose, or in any other respect which is prohibited by the laws of the state, territory or
country in which the same were caught, taken or killed; or which were shipped out of said
state, territory or country in violation of the laws thereof.
B. The following terrestrial wildlife species or viable gametes (eggs and sperm) are hereby
determined to be detrimental to existing wildlife and their habitat in Colorado, and except as
authorized in writing by the Division of Wildlife in accordance with criteria in Commission
Regulation #1102(A)(4) and consideration of the potential for and adverse impacts of
hybridization with native wildlife, their possession is prohibited. Persons who have proof of
possession of those species listed in subsections 1 through 8 of this section prior to
September 1, 1990, may possess the following species for the life of the animal(s). These live
animals may not be transported, imported, sold, bartered or traded within Colorado. They
may be transported out of state according to state and federal regulations. All animals held
under the grandfather clause must be tagged, recorded, and reported as per Commission
Regulations #1106, #1109, and #1110."

This is a common thing...but the fish cannot be transported, sold, etc. Just like I know someone who has (2) 3'+ snakeheads here in Ohio where they are illegal. They have had them since before the ban so that is why it is legal. If for any reason they need transported or sold, they will be taken and destroyed. There is no other way of having them legally unless you had them before the ban was placed.

 

[Polypterus]

I have read the regulation. There are 3 circumstances in which you may have them (already listed before)
1) Chapter 13 (collection permit)
2) Title 35, Article 80 (care facility)
3) private aquaria

This separates private aquaria from collection permits. Furthermore, it says nothing about a permit for private aquaria and nothing more about possession after the bolded portion I posted before.

If I'm wrong, then we need to take a closer look at some of our vendors.

Since you think you are right and all.... I'll leave it at your wrong.... Contact the department responsible and ask them if you can bring in some Zebra mussels, a couple rudds and a few Snakeheads to go with your Gar and Bowfin and get back to be about that..

 

[pwmin]

Since you think you are right and all.... I'll leave it at your wrong.... Contact the department responsible and ask them if you can bring in some Zebra mussels, a couple rudds and a few Snakeheads to go with your Gar and Bowfin and get back to be about that..

Umm, I'm sure that you know that snakeheads are legal in the U.S. so definitely not illegal in CO. I wonder which one of us actually WORKS for the entities responsible for these rules and is very good friends with the Hearings Officer for the Colorado Division of Wildlife (you know, the guy that enforces these laws and suspends licenses)...hmm. Again, why would we have a vendor that explicitly carries forbidden species if it were illegal? No one has answered that yet. And, what, they're going to arrest you for having zebra mussels on your boat?...come on. I AM the department responsible, lol.

 

[Polypterus]

Umm, I'm sure that you know that snakeheads are legal in the U.S. so definitely not illegal in CO. I wonder which one of us actually WORKS for the entities responsible for these rules and is very good friends with the Hearings Officer for the Colorado Division of Wildlife (you know, the guy that enforces these laws and suspends licenses)...hmm. Again, why would we have a vendor that explicitly carries forbidden species if it were illegal? No one has answered that yet. And, what, they're going to arrest you for having zebra mussels on your boat?...come on. I AM the department responsible, lol.

Enjoy the world of Pink unicorns and pretty fairies flitting in the cool breeze...

 

[city_of_evil6661]

no offence mate it just sounds funny

none taken. i thought lepisosteid described lepisosteus. and i thought atractostied would describe atractosteus. but now i understand that lepisosteid or lepisostidae describes both. no offence taken it just gave me more info about gars that i didnt know.

 

[pwmin]

Enjoy the world of Pink unicorns and pretty fairies flitting in the cool breeze...

WTH is that supposed to mean? Go and live your pessimistic view while I live the truth. You know what you're talking about when it comes to gars and I thank you for all the help you've given me, but you don't know what you're talking about here. You show me where it says that you need a permit for those species in private aquaria. You still didn't answer my vendor question...I wonder why. I know the truth and I'm done with this bickering.

 

[city_of_evil6661]

WTH is that supposed to mean? Go and live your pessimistic view while I live the truth. You know what you're talking about when it comes to gars and I thank you for all the help you've given me, but you don't know what you're talking about here. You show me where it says that you need a permit for those species in private aquaria. You still didn't answer my vendor question...I wonder why. I know the truth and I'm done with this bickering.

whats with the aggression. and its true that no species of snakehead are legal anywhere in the US. and yes gar are illegal in some states and require permits in others. so i think richard and everyone else thats given you advise does know what they are talking about.

 

[pwmin]

whats with the aggression. and its true that no species of snakehead are legal anywhere in the US. and yes gar are illegal in some states and require permits in others. so i think richard and everyone else thats given you advise does know what they are talking about.

I'm not being aggressive and I'm sorry if I'm coming off that way, but I am a little perturbed. He is the one that tried to insult me or whatever the point of that silly comment was. I know the law and am right. If someone can show me where I need a permit for private aquaria, even though I have talked to people I work with already, then I will concede. I know for a fact that there are vendors that sell species on that list to people in Colorado and even advertise so on their PUBLIC website, which is strictly forbidden on this website.