Is this a Wyckii or an ARTC??

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I am afraid to put a even a soft number on it. Yes, they grow much slower than large Pims, perhaps 2-5+ times slower. Huge range, poor guidance, I know, but that's my best "guesstimate".

Do we know if it is w/c or farmed? There is this notion that some farmed ones, such as Hemibagrus nemurus (most often albino), IDS, etc., are poor growers, which I don't understand as this would ruin the food fish farming business... but, indeed, we have been seeing fishes of abnormally slow growth and attaining much smaller adult sizes, it would seem of both hemibagrus and the IDS. Supposedly due to insufficient attention of the farmers to the maintenance of a healthy gene pool.

The usual thought/conviction is that we in the trade get a tiny % of the fish raised for food.

This conundrum could be reconciled by a supposition that the ornamental fish trade is now getting supplied from a different source than food fish farms and the ornamental fish trade may even benefit from smaller fishes as more hobbyists can house them. They would also benefit as these fish would reproduce poorly too (and are more sickly). All this increases the "ornamental farmers" consumer demand and farmers' security. ATM, this is but my wild thoughts, unsupported by anything.

It also depends on what housing mindset you follow, the ~4Lx2L min or some other.

Sorry. Wishy-washy. Lots of words, little benefit.

My two bigger wyckiis were ~14"-16" and in 1-2 years I have not noticed them to grow much. You may have more time than you think. ARTC I have no 1sthand experience with.

I would say farmed because there was so many of them but that's purely a guess.

I will just see how it goes and try to find him a better home when/if he gets bigger than I can house.

Thanks for all of the help :)


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I think and hope you have at least a year or two before worrying about a new home. I also think, the tank size will not be your main problem far sooner than that, almost needless to say... :)
 
i think you have a wyckii, its unlikely the vendor has it wrong considering the price difference!
 
may be of help if you can count his dorsal rays?

Diagnosis. — Hemibagrus wyckii is distinguished from
other members of the species group in having a well ossifi ed
dorsal spine at least as thick as the branched dorsal-fi n rays
(vs. poorly ossifi ed spine thinner than soft dorsal-fi n rays)
with 10–12 (vs. without) serrations on the posterior edge,
a cream-coloured (vs. grey or olive green) cleithral region,
cream-coloured (vs. orange, red or grey) procurrent and
fi rst principal caudal-fi n rays and a shorter maxillary barbel
(reaching to the middle of the dorsal-fi n base; 144–195% HL
vs. reaching to at least the middle of the adipose fi n base;
230–301% HL). It can be further distinguished from both
H. maydelli and H. wyckioides in having a predominantly
grey (vs. reddish or orange-colured) caudal fi n, and from
H. maydelli in having a greater dorsal to adipose distance
(7.1–11.0% SL vs. 4.0–7.0), smaller post-adipose distance
(9.3–13.6% SL vs. 14.1–14.6), and a smaller eye (diameter
8–10% HL vs. 12).
 
Good info. Is it taken from the newest revision by Dr. H. H. Ng or from the prior? It looks to be from the prior but nemerus is not mentioned... ? Still, looks to be from the prior.
 
I think artc, the body shape is not as streamline as wickii's.
 
I know what you mean, looks nemurus to me but im not familiar with wyckii that small.

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Thanks for the info, he is constantly hiding ATM so no chance of trying to I'd it properly yet lol his tail is getting a slightly red/brown tone to it but also has the white top and bottom rays :/ it's growing fast rite now so in a month or to it should be much easier.

I will keep you all posted


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if this is true;
Hemibagrus wyckii is distinguished from
other members of the species group in having a well ossifi ed
dorsal spine at least as thick as the branched dorsal-fi n rays
(vs. poorly ossifi ed spine thinner than soft dorsal-fi n rays)

its wyckii, ossified means hard/bony and your fish's first dorsal ray is thicker than the rest!
 
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