Is this to early for black nasty

[nuth88]

Duane's Fish are not a pair from the same spawn......I know that for a fact.....The first pair was by [FONT=&quot]necessity, but duane's pair that you see is from 2 totally different pools, 2 different sources. I am stoked to be aquiring some of his Hait fry!

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[bigspizz]

In a few months, my already large setup will grow, allowing me to focus a larger environment toward haits. I think the stress is my problem. I have never tried them alone.....

 

[nuth88]

Stress in aggression is a huge factor in bloat with them, duane has suffered the loss that many of us have felt, and I hope that by his trail and error, and eventual success I will be able to avoid those issues.....

Raising Haits can be a challenge no doubt.....

I Look forward to it and am up to the challenge, now where do they keep the adult diapers??

 

[bigspizz]

Stress in aggression is a huge factor in bloat with them, duane has suffered the loss that many of us have felt, and I hope that by his trail and error, and eventual success I will be able to avoid those issues.....

Raising Haits can be a challenge no doubt.....

I Look forward to it and am up to the challenge, now where do they keep the adult diapers??

You and me both my friend ....Well said...

 

[duanes]

Wow I leave for a couple hours and things get very lively, cool!
My normal routine is a 20% water change every other day. Now with all these fry, I'm trying to do at least one 20% change per day and if at all possible 2. My semi auto water change contraption helps and as does the holiday off work thing, they went free swimming around Thanksgiving, so lots of off days in a short time.
And Chris is right, 2 different pools of genes, unless their both somehow are descended from Ferdenzis pair and went to different parts of the country and somehow re-convereged.
One other thing to stir the pot, "fractionation", some say it can't be used on fresh water, again I say nay nay.
This what the waste effluent looked like.

I noticed a lot of green stain around the PVC lately, so I surrounded the waste opening with a bag about a month ago, below hanging on the sides of the bag is the sludge just from bursting bubbles.
The bag has an opening on the bottom to drain liquid.

 

[twhittle]

I do a 50-75% wc 5-7 days. I do keep mine in a 38 gallon growout with a Cuban and a 2 Honduran Red Points. All are less than 2 inches and there is very little aggression. I was unaware of the temp being critical to their growth. I have mine set at 78 degrees. My plan was to grow them out until they got either too big or too aggressive for the 38 gallon and move it to a solo 55-75 gallon. Do you think I would be wise to put him in a solo tank right now? Can I still facilitate fast growth with these other fish in 38 gallons, at least for a little bit?

 

[nuth88]

twhittle~

The agression at that size should be at a minium, the thing is with these guys, (esp the Cooban) it can happen very fast, if the Hait is not the king, and the subject of the aggression, BAM - Bloat......

The Cuban can handle himself, it's the Hait at this size I'd worry about.....The HRP seem to me to be nothing but dithers IF the are all the same size....

 

[sg1]

A week ago i bought 9 black nasty at just 2" each but out of the 9 four of them has pair off already on each sides of the tank and keep the other five in the middle, now i'am not use to fish this small but i have had fish this size before but never witness this, like i said they are only 2" maybe 2.5" at the most and right now in a 90gal.

Actually Id like to know where you got the nasties, Ive wanted one for ages and cannot find them anywhere for sale.

 

[duanes]

I base my temps on an article by Paul Loiselle, when he went to Haiti to collect haitiensis, and took water parameter readings. In 3 different spots the water temp range was 82-86.
I also was in St Maartin a few years ago teaching my kids to snorkle, we started in a sheltered lagoon that felt like hot bath water, had to be in the 90s. I would liken this to small bodies of water I would suspect haitiensis of residing in.
Spent some time in Costa Rica and the Yucatan in the 80s and 90s, the cenotes and rivers are a bit cooler, due to depth, or water movement, hence the different requirements of say Dovii from Lago Arenal or tuba from a fast flowing river.
Whereas on Isla de Mujeres where I saw uropthalmus in the mangrove, temps fluctuated with tide, from 90s in the afternoon -70s at night, may be the reason uros are so tough.
I'd watch aggression very carefully in a 38 gal, aggression can be subtle in the haits pecking order, just a little on the low end leads to a stressed out bloater as Chris said.
Check out Joe Ferdenzis article in the 1995 TFH mag, he had what I consider great success loosing only 2 out of 5 haits, by using egg crate dividers, my track record in a 100 gal was paultry in comparison.

 

[Cich_lids]

yea sibling love its great,and people wonder why fish have deformed faces and backs/bodies

It would take a lot more than breeding one brother and sister to cause deformed fish.