I've Seen The Light- UGF's SUCK

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I believe what you described is how I did it and failed. It may be possible but would be difficult and probably expensive to get the fluid dynamics correct for an even flow. What I did that failed was the RUGF, I did replace it with a working UJG but didn't like it and trashed it for the FX5 idea. I found the return needs to be 6-10" (I can't remember and it's currently not running, the fish managed to change the height of mine from time to time. I'm thinking closer to 8") off the sand to keep the return from blowing it away. It did a great job on a 6' tank.
 
[QUOTE='vspec';447007;1]My sump? They are functionly all the same, water comes in, its follows your chosen path, its then sent out. Its not rocket science bud, and i would also suspect you guys have been around long enough for me NOT to lead you by the hand every step of the way.
Unless of course youve had zero exposure to sumping at all? In which case, visit your LFS to grasp it, then we can talk ideas on maximising it.
Cause im not really in the mindset for entry-steps these days.

If your still wanting an idea on my specifics, it logically varies based on whats needed or required. if i need to take particulates out, i'll throw a sock on the dump pipes, if i need more biological or buffer means, i'll design something that can be accomidated within the boundries of open space. These things i dont consider a teachable talent, as any monkey with a brain can sort something out. A sump is your work area, so its logically changeable.

I dont & didn't want to become a focus for this thread. All i was talking about was think abit more on the environment itself, & maximise it as best you can. Expand your own questioning, & you'll find it shows a bigger picture for greater control. - Thats it!
Im not here to ponder my own awsomeness, nor talk it up with fictious means, besides the fact i couldn't care less of the above, ive done my hard yards over the years & spent a small fortune doing it. My focus is on downscaling & refining by focusing on what my passion is now, the creativity side.

As i said, if you want to see pictures so badly, its got to wait till I build my new project. Im happy to share as they get pretty wild, however ether way it doesn't really concern me. I build my creative projects to push the envelope & challange myself to the max, or else im easily bored.

So back to CA's topic yeah, he's built this for a reason.[/QUOTE]

Uhh.... what? I really enjoyed this thread but the vagueness of these answers is too funny. Nothin to show, lots to say about nothin and no real advice. Wow, entertaining to say the least.

I used a rug years ago and it worked pretty well. Most of the debris stayed suspended so my canister and skimmer could do alot of the work, but I still had to gravel vac. Less, but it still had to be done.


I used plates with crushed coral on top, two risers and two 801's. Simple but effective.

That being said, I'm still more of a fan of sumps and canisters. I think they are more effective for most setups. It's not that ugf's dont work, for I believe that they do, but I believe a well thought out sump and strategically placed canisters just offers more efficient and effective filtration.


Great thread though!
 
I, for one, am glad this thread has not passed off to the never to be read again pages.
If we go back to what CA originally posted, this is a “breakthrough” in maintenance avoidance.
With just some pipe and a pump he has taken care of a gravel tanks worst aspects, cleaning the gravel.
All the rest is “chatter”, mine included.
If you have a gravel tank you could really benefit from giving this system a shot.
 
<Danger_Chicken: FG - I use a 60g conical shaped drum as a settling chamber on my 220 and it's amazing.>

Care to elaborate on this a little more? Where did you get the drum, cost etc.?

Thanks
 
fg4608;4811959; said:
<Danger_Chicken: FG - I use a 60g conical shaped drum as a settling chamber on my 220 and it's amazing.>

Care to elaborate on this a little more? Where did you get the drum, cost etc.?

Thanks
It was around $150. I don't think this is where I got it but it's the same thing.
http://www.plastic-mart.com/class.php?item=138

Aquarium -> SC -> Sump.

I drilled two holes in the side for 1.5" intake and output and used uniseals to secure. Both holes were put in just above the cone. I ran the pipe for the output to the center of the drum and used an elbow to move the output inlet (output inlet !?! :nilly:) near the top of the drum. The drum drain at the bottom of the cone in hard plumbed into the house drain with a ball valve. I wanted to automate the draining but the solinod valve and a timer that could operate in for 10-15 seconds was several hundred dollars.

All in all its not worth the money unless you have a huge tank/load. I was, and still am, playing with ideas for a central house system and as always as maintenance free as possible. This setup on the 220 is just a sandbox.
 
i use a rugf on my tank. that with a sponge filter is the best for filtration. i still us emy mammoth eheim on the tank. the eheim picks up the debris and processes it while the rugf keeps the gravel clear.

before i also used the standard powerhead and ugf. worked great, no issues with water clarity or ill/dead fish. it worked fine long before i had the money for a pair of eheims. but hey thats just me.
 
I'm almost finished with this RUGF prototype. The only issue is that the pump appears to be blowing the water too hard. I am going to have to switch out pumps and find one with a controllable flow.
 
Drill more holes in the pipes. The more you spread out the flow, the less force it will have.
 
Wow, this thread is still hanging around.I haven't been on in awhile (life's been a little crazy) OK, a quick update :The RUGF continues to work flawlessly with little or no service except for mechanical filter changes every seven days. Water changes are performed every 3 or 4 weeks as neccessary to keep Nitrates below 20 (preferably 10). I'm not sure I would call it a breakthrough, as Kaiser put it, as it is more or less a copy of Chompers "bait tank". It has proven, at least to me, to have reduced gravel vac's dramatically. I do gravel vac once a month but don't pick up much at all. I'm glad to see some of you thinking of this as a useful tool.
 
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