Jag tank size?

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lets try not to equate folks trying to tell you why or why not with jamming something down your throat. the short answer is no, but to give the short answer and not the reasons why not does not make any sense, seams to me most trying to say why.
 
Haha I can't believe this guy.
Logi, would you mind linking us to the thread you made in the other forum? I'm curious what that one turned into.

He's gonna go look for another fish forum, ask the same question and hope that one or two people give him the "go ahead" so he can go out and purchase a jag.

Btw, if you were really working with what you have, you'd understand your 75 isn't a proper tank for a very large cichlid like a jag. But hey, keep trying to educate yourself... Or whatever.
I dont care if you link it, to be honest. I will get laughed at im sure... Whatever.

And ive gotten the go-ahead from a lot more than 2 people, across various forums and also in person.

The vast majority of you are giving your opinion, not actual facts about what im asking about. Opinions are great but dont get mad when i dont listen all the time. Facts will seal the deal one way or another. If logic points out in indisputable fashion that a jag will do very poorly, then i will not get one. However, logic so far has said that it is very difficult and highly frowned upon but possible to give a Jag a decent life in a 75.

has no bearing on fish keeping. (shrug)

This is the type of garbage that pisses me off... What evidence have you, pops, given me besides your opinion on the matter?
 
"I respect your opinion"
"Your opinion is illogical"

Lol.... Dude. Just stop.
Opinions can be illogical. I wont get in his way and tell him not to do kt, and that is me respecting his opinion. However, i dont think it is really needed. Respected, but illogical.
 
just saying terrorism has no bearing on fish keeping. you giving me the giggles now. ;)
 
This is a BS answer.

I think it is not a bad thing to do, personally. (At the moment at least.) But, im still looking into others opinions to see how i will decide.

Nothing in this worls is right or wrong. Everything is changed by perspcetive.

For example, let me take the ethical standpoint. On one hand, im saving a fish from a 20 gallon tank in a store crammed with 15 other fish. And it could easily end up in the same situation if someone buys it. But on the other standpoint im putting it into a situatuion where it is, admittedly, pretty tightly squished in.

Or even a logical standpoint. A small tank doesnt technically limit a fish unless the fish is big enough that its unable to move. The food and water quality is what is important. In smaller tanks with bigger fish, it becomes difficult to maintain but not impossible. So it should work, right? But you could still come up with research saying that fish are stunted in enviroments that are too small, and have shorter lifespans.

Everyone counteracts each other. Neither is right or wrong technically. Im trying to decide what i think is right, and even if i do decide its fine, this is still a hypothetical situation that may not even occur.

At this point you have enough info on what your best course of action is. I think the majority of the members here will find nothing wrong with you growing the fish out in a 75 and upgrading later.

Lots of experienced members gave some good advice wether you choose to follow it is up to you
 
amen to that Jaws,
 
What you have in this thread is very experienced people giving you probably the best opinion you'll get on whether you should keep a jag in a 75. And instead of doing the logical thing, that is listening to these very experienced cichlid keepers, you continue to weigh the option of going out and getting one. Then you try to defend that option after you have two different forums telling you not to. And we're not some clowns that work at the lfs that will tell you it'll be fine so we make the sale. These are people that have kept them or have seen plenty of monster adults to know that a 75 is pitiful.

Next time you want to ask the forum a question ask yourself "do I really what they're going to tell me?"
If your answer is no then save yourself and any responder to your post the time and don't post. The only good that comes from threads like this is if someone googles "jag cichlid 75 gallon", find this thread, reads through it and decides not to buy a jag for their 75 gallon.
 
Opinions can be illogical. I wont get in his way and tell him not to do kt, and that is me respecting his opinion. However, i dont think it is really needed. Respected, but illogical.
Honestly , you sound like you relly want Jags and I understand that because they are among my top 5 favorite cichlids, .....dude, 75g's are a dime a dozen and I come across them all the time. Just get a bigger tank, use the 75g for a growout and move the bigger fish into the bigger tank as they hit size mark where something tends to dominate the growout instead of several fish never quite getting full-control at any point. The trick with a growout is there can be no single dominant fish or it doesn't work. You have to start with all fish in the 1-2" range preferably and watch and observe as they grow and develop a hierarchy. Who's in charge will tell you which ones to look out for, which ones will need to be moved 1st, etc as per max-size in future permitting.

This is why I only ever buy fish in that size range and NEVER buy sub-adults or even intermediates. Watching them grow and develop is the best part IMO. Oh wait, you got breeders, time passes, you sold 80% of the babies - look who has a new growout tank to start with more juveniles.....another reason I only buy little guys - everytime I breed, my nursery grows into another start-up tank and I add a few new species the same size as the remaining fry as I get down to the last handful of my babies. Think outside the box, it's more fun and you learn a lot more that way.
 
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Opinions can be illogical. I wont get in his way and tell him not to do kt, and that is me respecting his opinion. However, i dont think it is really needed. Respected, but illogical.
By the way, there is nothing "illogical" about providing a small fish with a large space to live in in. Aside from the obvious positive that the fish will have much more room to swim around around, maintence is easier on a tank that is set up like that.
While you may not agree with it and you consider it a waste of a tank, there is no lack of logic there.

I'm frustrated by you now. So.... I'm going to ignore you lol
 
Im glad to see everybody is on the same page. Even people who have done it would not recommend it. Is that not the "experience" you asked for to answer your specific question?

Nobody can stop yo from doing the wrong thing. Just don't do it and turn around and say it's right.
 
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