Thanks for the kind words everyone, these pups were 4.5 inches like the first one. Crazy thing is you still could not tell she was carrying. You could see her swollen just a little but it looked like it was more toward the middle of her disk instead of close to the rear. She hid two big ones quit well. As much as I would love to, I will probably sell these. I have some first dibs out there but pm me if interested. You never know what might happen!