James Cameron claims he's found Christ's tomb

[danzig]

Reading through how religion is discussed on public forums like this one is very wearisome. Most people automatically associate religion with the popular media rendering that is often toward the right extreme, bearing little or no resemblence to the daily life and practice of the faith community. If you want to base your view on this country based on what you read on the front pages of local newspapers or primetv, you won't find it being parallelled with the reality you see in your family, workplaces, schools, neighborhoods, etc... Why can't you see the same effect the media or popular belief is playing on public's perception of the religious?

Perhaps those in the West automatically blame the church for its share of political power in much of its tained history in Europe. However, human evil has been a fact that pervades through all cultures and societies of various belief system (should it be theistic or atheistic). For me, human atrocities are consequences of misuderstanding of and abuse of power rather than that of religious concepts. If you still would like to blame religions for all the problems in the world, look at what happened in the atheist communist soviet union or North Korea at present. Should it be religion or politics, when they become tools of the priviledged few or are used to maintain the status quo of the powerful, human beings are capable of some immense evil. Isn't this what we have seen all along? Shouldn't we think of religion as a powerful tool that fell under wrong hands?

I think you pretty much summed it up here when you said to think of religion as a "powerful tool". Thats is exactly what it is, a powerful tool used to control millions of people. also the scientific studies on prayer were not done by me but by scientists, i suggest you look into it for further details. the experiments were done on practising followers, and concluded that prayers do nothing more than wishing upon a star. Yes wars have been started by athiest countries but they were also not killing people for a "god". You may know scientists who put religion before fact due to their bias opinion on the subject.Im not going to bring up the priests touching boys thing because thats not a religious issue more of a fu%#ed up personal problem. But there are people of all faiths who sin more than some athiests yet are promised into heaven if they repent. Im sorry but i do not believe a rapist or a murderer is better than a decent hearted non believer just because they can repent then go to heaven. But alas this is all for not, because the "powerful tool" has more pull than reality itself.

 

[repair]

there are people of all faiths who sin more than some athiests yet are promised into heaven if they repent. Im sorry but i do not believe a rapist or a murderer is better than a decent hearted non believer just because they can repent then go to heaven.

Anyone can repent ( yes even atheists ) and make it into heaven but they have to mean it and it cannot be just lip service.

The Bible says that no man will make it into heaven by works alone so no man should boast about all the great things that they have done.

I don't pretend to understand everything about GOD and some things are unclear (like the people that live in the jungle and have never heard about him).

I will pray for you and you can wish on a star for me and someday maybe we will see eye to eye on this.

 

[danzig]

According to the bible the 8 steps to get into heaven are as follows according to the words of jesus christ:
1)*luke 10*Love god, love your neighbour and you will be given eternal life.
2)*luke 18*Follow 10 commandments and give away all your worldy possessions to the poor.
3)*luke 14* " if anyone comes to me and does NOT hate his father, mother, wife, children, brothers and sisters he cannot be my disciple.
4)*john 6* "whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and i will rise him up on the last day, for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink" (hopefully metaphoric)
5)*matthew 18* jesus says " i tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
6)*john 3?* noone can see the kingdom of god, unless he is born again.
7)*matthew 5* " for i tell you that unless your rightousness surpasses that of the pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. ( the pharisees followed 613 laws in the old testament, over 100 of those laws being cannabalistic rituals)
8)*the famous john 3:16* For god so loved the world he gave his only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. ( the commonly recited verse which is only 1 step out of 8 to have eternal life)

These are out of the Bible, i did not make it up.
Good luck getting into heaven.

 

[repair]

According to the bible the 8 steps to get into heaven are as follows according to the words of jesus christ:
1)*luke 10*Love god, love your neighbour and you will be given eternal life.
2)*luke 18*Follow 10 commandments and give away all your worldy possessions to the poor.
3)*luke 14* " if anyone comes to me and does NOT hate his father, mother, wife, children, brothers and sisters he cannot be my disciple.
4)*john 6* "whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and i will rise him up on the last day, for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink" (hopefully metaphoric)
5)*matthew 18* jesus says " i tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
6)*john 3?* noone can see the kingdom of god, unless he is born again.
7)*matthew 5* " for i tell you that unless your rightousness surpasses that of the pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. ( the pharisees followed 613 laws in the old testament, over 100 of those laws being cannabalistic rituals)
8)*the famous john 3:16* For god so loved the world he gave his only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. ( the commonly recited verse which is only 1 step out of 8 to have eternal life)

These are out of the Bible, i did not make it up.
Good luck getting into heaven.

You need everything in context.

The bible says ........ sorry I don't have the ref material in front of me.

(1) he hung himself
(2) go forth and do like wise.

 

[danzig]

You need everything in context.

The bible says ........ sorry I don't have the ref material in front of me.

(1) he hung himself
(2) go forth and do like wise.

These are in context, they are replies when Jesus was asked how to have eternal life. The only parts missing are the names of the people who asked the question and the question itself. I just didnt want to write 5 posts to fit it all in.
Maybe you need to read your bible more.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

According to the bible the 8 steps to get into heaven are as follows according to the words of jesus christ:
1)*luke 10*Love god, love your neighbour and you will be given eternal life.
2)*luke 18*Follow 10 commandments and give away all your worldy possessions to the poor.
3)*luke 14* " if anyone comes to me and does NOT hate his father, mother, wife, children, brothers and sisters he cannot be my disciple.
4)*john 6* "whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and i will rise him up on the last day, for my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink" (hopefully metaphoric)
5)*matthew 18* jesus says " i tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
6)*john 3?* noone can see the kingdom of god, unless he is born again.
7)*matthew 5* " for i tell you that unless your rightousness surpasses that of the pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. ( the pharisees followed 613 laws in the old testament, over 100 of those laws being cannabalistic rituals)
8)*the famous john 3:16* For god so loved the world he gave his only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. ( the commonly recited verse which is only 1 step out of 8 to have eternal life)

These are out of the Bible, i did not make it up.
Good luck getting into heaven.

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved. Romans 10:9
It's very simple to see the ONE step that there is to "get into Heaven". But remember, and this point speaks well to the "prayer studies" argument, God know our hearts. He judges wether our heart is sincere or not. Therefore these silly prayer tests, are flawed, and not to mention completley un-Scriptural, which renders them totally meaningless when you try to use them to prove or disprove the God of the Bible. Jesus Himself said, "Do not put the Lord your God to the test." Matthew 4:7 So, to think that people could somehow say to God, "Hey we're having a prayer test on tuesday, would you mind showing up so you can prove yourslf to us, because so far we don't belive you exist," is laughable. God is not a figment of your imagination that you can move and distort in any way you seem fit. That's interesting, because I think thats what people accuse me of doing, being a Christian.

 

[repair]

These are in context, they are replies when Jesus was asked how to have eternal life. The only parts missing are the names of the people who asked the question and the question itself. I just didnt want to write 5 posts to fit it all in.
Maybe you need to read your bible more.

We always need to read our Bibles more but when I say that you need the context I mean you need to read the scriptures before it and after it and then take the Bible as a whole.

Why is it so important for you to prove the Bible is a fairy tale?

A couple of times we could have ended this and had common ground but you didn't..... I wonder why?

You seem to have some sadness or anger driving you on this, if it's just that you want the last word just say so and, I'm fine with that.

Whatever you decide I have no hard feelings for you.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

don't worry, remember our lord is a jealous God? non-believers and their children will be punished, to the third and the fourth generation.

It's Christians' duty to help our Lord to punish the liberals non-believers that are running mainstream media.

ready to help?

Sorry buddy, but most of your posts portray a different God then I serve, and a different God than the one who is in the Bible. The New Testament mean the new Covenant, we are now bound to Jesus Christ and not the Law. Also I disagree with it being Christians "duty" to "punish the liberal non-belivers that are running mainstream media." Our duty as Christians is to show Christs love to others, and I'm not sure with the idea of God needing our help to punish people either. All God wants from non-belivers is for them to be with Him in eternity, because He loves them, I hardly think that God would want us to punish them on earth as a way to show His yearn for them.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

I always thought this was ironic, given that jealousy ( envy) is one of the 7 deadly sins...so even your god is a sinner

A quick answer would be that it is a diferent kind of jealousy, a righteous jealousy because He is God and He doesn't really like us to not only not pay attention to Him, but to worship other idols in His place. It's like how I get angry when I stub my toe, but not the same kind of anger as I would have if someone murdered my children.

 

[hamato_yoshii]

that is just spliting hairs to try to rationalize an irrational belief.

Listen as a Christian I deal with this all the time, when people think they have their "zingers" against us that will just bring the whole Bible down with these silly comments, I simply just showed how their is a difference in how we describe emotion today, and that differences existed back then. I supposed if it said that it was raining cats and dogs atheists would be the first to point out that scientifically it cant rain cats and dogs.