James Cameron claims he's found Christ's tomb

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angeladay;722528; said:
If you are speaking on the "Neuro Religion" study headed by a professor from U of Pen., which is really the pioneering attempt at unerstanding religious experiment scientifically, I can tell you that they wouldn't share the kind of negativity you are expressing here. I attended a seminar presentation myself at Zygon Istitute in Hyde Park Chicago (University of Chicago campus) where they invite top notch scientists and religious leaders for debate and dialogues on religio-scientific issues. Once again, you haven't drawn conceptual/semantic boundary on what you consider "prayer" and its "effects." How reductionist, naturalistic science defines prayer, ofcourse, will be different from how theologians and parishioners would describe it.

Yes, religion is a powerful tool with immense potential for harm. However, don't all the good things in the world come with a mixed bag too? Think of all the useful tools we use in everyday life--take fire for instance. It heats up your home, cooks food, provide energy... but it can also kill and destroy when mishandled. I wonder why we need to look only at the negative examples of what Christians did in the name of God. If people choose to assert their right, power, and political influence with religious authority and conviction, is that religious concept to blame for what it did? Or should we put responsibility on the people and make us wonder about how our human nature should be understood and controlled?

Naive blaming of religion doesn't look at the very sous rce of human suffering and pain. It's only another attemp to assert that 'I'm better than others' and 'My belief isn't responsible for what is happening in the world.' In fact, the greatest source of human pain is not in religion at present. In my opinion, it's GLOBALIST economy that is hurting far more people than what you are hearing about Middle East or Darfur. The source of globalist economy?--No, it's from our unlimited desire for luxury and comfort at others' expenses and unwillingness compromise lifestyle in North America. There's something seriously wrong about the share of wealth where 10% of world population use more than 70% of the world's food and resources. What worldview do you think is capable of confronting the problem with our human nature? Will naturalistic science (that operates on the belief that material things are all there is and that there is an overarching pattern throughout its imagined universe) or atheistic worldview understand the depth of human capacity for evil and confront it?

In the faith community that I'm part of, I see people who are fighting for workers justice, protesting war in Iraq, patiently dialoguing with their church to bring the GLBT community into the church (I also have ***/lesbian colleagues who are persuing their call to full time ministry), or asking for forgiveness of Christian forefathers/mothers' sins in North America to Native Americans in Navajo nation as a lifetime missionary (he considers his task to be that of "asking for forgiveness"). And do you want to know about how my community is dealing with inter-religious intolerance? At the theological school I'm attending, we created a department for "Interfaith" justice which has invited Muslim scholars and students to come study along with Christian students for better mutual understanding and dialogues about the Middle East situation.

I myself grew up under missionary parents who offered shelther, food, and a place to belong for people who had nowhere else to go to. Yes, people can choose whatever God they want to construct using the Bible to assert their power hungry, selfish agenda. But it's equally true that faith has done whole lot of good for the humanity too.

Ok im sorry 1 last post.
"Naive blaming of religion" noone's blaming religion, rather stating how religion has started wars. And i hope this isnt aimed at me because i find it very prejudice and ignorant "It's only an attempt to assert that im "better than others" or " my belief isnt responsible for whats happening in the world".
I do min 15hrs volunteer work every week as well as working with the Knights of Columbus on their food drives, and do my best to make a good husband and father. I follow no religion and believe in no particular god. Am i a bad person?, is my soul not kind hearted?, when i die do i deserve to be bound to eternal damnation?. I follow the majority of the 10 commandments, not because it is gods words but because i believe most of it to be morally sound. What if i told you i practise certain parts of numerous religions because of the moral humanitarian aspect instead of the god fearing aspect?
Where am i going when i die?
 
repair;720949; said:
OK I have moved on.... now go read my post in the team forum:D

LOL ! i went there and all i saw was the MKF sticker idea. :D

So.... can anyone tell me what went wrong with their first tank ? :popcorn:
 
Aetheist's have no religion, they do not hate religion as far as i know..this is why i hate threads that dabble in religion, everyone's the expert and it never ends..anyway here's my two cents in, we should all respect each other's beliefs ,even if we find it twisted and stupid, just like we would like others to respect our views..We all got to stop trying to change the world, thats where we all get in trouble in the first place..so to each his own and peace out
 
danzig;722554; said:
Ok im sorry 1 last post.
"Naive blaming of religion" noone's blaming religion, rather stating how religion has started wars. And i hope this isnt aimed at me because i find it very prejudice and ignorant "It's only an attempt to assert that im "better than others" or " my belief isnt responsible for whats happening in the world".
I do min 15hrs volunteer work every week as well as working with the Knights of Columbus on their food drives, and do my best to make a good husband and father. I follow no religion and believe in no particular god. Am i a bad person?, is my soul not kind hearted?, when i die do i deserve to be bound to eternal damnation?. I follow the majority of the 10 commandments, not because it is gods words but because i believe most of it to be morally sound. What if i told you i practise certain parts of numerous religions because of the moral humanitarian aspect instead of the god fearing aspect?
Where am i going when i die?

I agree that you do sound like you care about others around you, and I dig the morality argument too. However, we cant just imagine that if there is a God, that our standards of good, are the same as His standards.
 
danzig;722554; said:
Ok im sorry 1 last post.
"Naive blaming of religion" noone's blaming religion, rather stating how religion has started wars. And i hope this isnt aimed at me because i find it very prejudice and ignorant "It's only an attempt to assert that im "better than others" or " my belief isnt responsible for whats happening in the world".
I do min 15hrs volunteer work every week as well as working with the Knights of Columbus on their food drives, and do my best to make a good husband and father. I follow no religion and believe in no particular god. Am i a bad person?, is my soul not kind hearted?, when i die do i deserve to be bound to eternal damnation?. I follow the majority of the 10 commandments, not because it is gods words but because i believe most of it to be morally sound. What if i told you i practise certain parts of numerous religions because of the moral humanitarian aspect instead of the god fearing aspect?
Where am i going when i die?

Hey, I wasn't targetting you but talking about the general targeting and blaming of religion that I'm seeing in this thread. I know of wonderful non Christians who do not share my religious beliefs and convictions and I deeply admire and respect them. I just ask you to be open minded and engage in conversation with people you are not in agreement with. This world would be a much better place should people know how to be mutually "transformed" through open dialogues instead of asserting their convictions in proselytizing attempts. Fundamentalist Chrisitans and hardcore atheists all like are guilty of the same mistake of being overly aggressive about their beliefs.

In regard to the matters of salvation, I really don't think we are at the place judge who's hellbound or not. Isn't it only God can judge people fairly? I bet there will be a lot of surprises when God's justice is acted out. People whom we considered morally corrupt or holy will see different outcome from what we expected. Simply because you are going to church or adhering to particular religious tradition will not, in my belief, gurantee anything.
 
hamato_yoshii;722438; said:
Sorry buddy, but most of your posts portray a different God then I serve, and a different God than the one who is in the Bible. The New Testament mean the new Covenant, we are now bound to Jesus Christ and not the Law. Also I disagree with it being Christians "duty" to "punish the liberal non-belivers that are running mainstream media." Our duty as Christians is to show Christs love to others, and I'm not sure with the idea of God needing our help to punish people either. All God wants from non-belivers is for them to be with Him in eternity, because He loves them, I hardly think that God would want us to punish them on earth as a way to show His yearn for them.

Got it, you are worshipping a different GOD then the one that blessed us with ten commandments.

Remember you are responsible for the punishment of your great grand kids.

Sigh, another non-believer.
 
ammerman19;722495; said:
LOL too true. If you don't want to believe that is fine don't believe. But don't come in here spewing inaccurate truths about christianity and the bible. The bible can pretty much say anything you want it to if you only take tiny little excerpts from it. It is kind of a waste of time if you are going to to go to different websites and find quotes trying to make christianity look bad. If you read and understood the bible some of your statements would not have been made Danzig. Wether you believe or not they are just inaccurate representaions of christian beliefs. But like I said before you can put "spin" on phrases from the bible and come up with what you like.

And as for Toffee that dude has to be troll just trying to flame the fires. I mean honestly I am christian and I think he is totally misguided.

Oh and for the last time Repair did NOT imply that believing in God makes him better than other people. It makes him a better man than if He didn't believe in God. So please drop that tired bashin of him for saying that:)

You are saying the 10 commandments are misguided? If GOD's own words are misguiding or trolling, I am speechless.
 
Somebody please close this thread..Its irrelevant to fish keeping and is making arguments out of things that were not intened to be discussed initially by and have nothing to do with the topic of this thread which is about the so called discovery of the tomb of jesus..This is turning out to be a war of beliefs and holier than though he said-she said, and it's getting out of hand quite frankly..
 
deangelo;722708; said:
Somebody please close this thread..


You took the words out of my mouth. This has stayed fairly civil but has become repetitive. I don't think there is anything to gain by leaving it open, so I'll end it.

Thanks for a fair and (for the most part) polite debate everyone.
 
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