Juggernaut and New Female (Midas)

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jgentry said:
My point is that your midas from a different vendor also looks very un midas like. Several people have questioned if the OP's fish is pure. All I'm saying is that you cannot be so quick to judge a young fish. As you and I both said, they come from vendors skinny.

As for the vendors I'd be happy to discuss that by PM. I'm not interested in hurting anyones lively hood or ability to make a living selling fish.
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I understand, but look less to the snout and more at the lips. Too many judge purely and snouts.

As for discussion Via PM, sounds good. I would rather discuss with you and RD via PM then derail this thread any futher.
 
As for discussion Via PM, sounds good. I would rather discuss with you and RD via PM then derail this thread any futher.
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What do I need to discuss with you via PM, Scott?

These aren't your fish, and this isn't your thread. If the OP felt at any time that he didn't want or appreciate any of the input that has been given about his fish, or A. citrinellus in general, he could have spoke up at any time, and still can.
 
I think this thread has been very informative and I like the remarks about my female. I would rather someone tell me what they really think and learn instead of sugar coating it for me.I do not mind the small side topics of this thread. I think Scott was getting at is there should be a different thread with some of the other information. If someone is interested in the disussion it may be hard to find under the title of this thread.
 
Anubisscott said:
First off, your putting words in my mouth. I think your adressing TruMidasKing on that point and need to go back through the thread.

My female that I just recieved from Rapps is very slender and needs some power feeding. This is common when recieving fish from a distrubutor as they do not power feed their fish on most occasions. Also, females have longer snouts then males due tot the males broader facial structure. For me, it wasn't the snout that had me concerned, it was the lips. The lips are more pointed, but again I just told Ken(how I have texted back and forth) just to verify more with Dan.



First, Jeff wouldn't order from Dan(atleast in this case) because he has his own breeding stock that "he" imported. All the Amphilophus on his page have been bred at his facility unless I am mistaken. Mo could probably vouch for that since he is friends with Jeff and has been to his facility. I intend to shoot Jeff an email anyway letting him know that the female I revieved made it ok and will make him aware thread so he can adress it himself. Dan has made one post, but it would be benificial if he would come on to adress the issue further.

Second, your confusing "longer snout" with "pointy face". My female has a snout appears longer because she hasn't been power fed like my male. Same would go with Ken's female in this thread. You even admited spoke on this in your post which makes perfect sense. However, females will always have a longer snout because that is part of the sexual diversity between males/females. However when you compare the end of the snout, more specificly the lips you see a dinstinct difference. My female's is rounded( U shaped) and the other is more pointed(V Shaped) which is what the others have been alluding to.

Third, next time when you descide to quote someone I suggest you make sure you quote the people speaking about the points your trying to dispute/discuss. I beleive TrueMidasKing is the one you should be quoting for the most part. As for Rapp's, his reputation is without a doubt the best of all the C/SA cichlid distributors. I have yet to see anything from Dan saying he sells his fish to anyone else, let alone Jeff. So unless I see that or Jeff admiting to receiving Amphilophus from Dan all should be considered hearsay.



This I have also told Ken as we have been texting back and forth about our fish. I have advised him to wait and see what happens. They havle already spawned and he should have fry in a few days. Either way, he has had tons of offers from Flowerhorn enthusiasts wants Juggernaut. He will definently have some of them wanting his fry.

Now, lets stop derailing this thread. If this continues perhaps we can make a seperate thread concerning where Dan, Jeff, Conkel, and so on get their amphilophus and the physical diversities between them.
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he is not addressing me but he is defiantly confusing wat was said with someone because no one said any thing about getting a female from jeff rapps
 
my oh my.
I was given a heads to up this thread and I admit to not reading every entry. I haven't that much spare time or nor the interest to incorporate more drama into my day.
Reason I was asked to chime in was because of a question regarding sourcing of fish.

I can speak for myself that the fish in question, or any other fish I am offering for that matter, are not from the FL sources previously mentioned in thread. The one exception would be the few individuals of md Caquetaia kraussi in stock. They are likely FL bred.
If someone is claiming otherwise, they are misinformed or not being honest.

I specifically imported my wild Amphilophus stocks directly from Nicaragua a few years back. By doing so, pure stock was made available for those hobbyists interested in maintaining these species and I was able to secure pure wild breeding stock to work with. That's when and how the wild Nicaraguan specimens of sp. Isletas, xiloaensis, sagittae, zaliosus, citrinellus from both Lakes Managua and Nicaragua, labiatus, rostratus, longimanus, loisellei, nicaraguensis, maculicauda, nematopus, and dovii last entered the trade.

Keeping the collection/holding/export facility in Managua operating proved to be more costly than resulting sales could support. I am a biologist by education/training and a businessman by necessity it seems.
So maintaining that station as operable ended up being a temporary investment. As interesting as this was (scientifically speaking it was quite educating), not all investments prove to be profitable ones.
This endeavor was a follow up to the only other commercial wild Nicaraguan cichlid imports into the US in past 12 years. That being my previous exclusive US imports from the country back around 2001-2002 I believe.

And back to our regularly scheduled show - the one where this fellow MFK member was sharing his fish with others. The thread evolved so far from his post that I don't even see his name on this page.
Your male is very impressive. Not everyone loves the big nuchal hump. If you do, that's cool. That's the kind of fish that you just can't help stop and admire.
Great fish. Great work to keep it healthy and please don't let this sidetrack business ever prevent you from sharing photos and joy for the hobby at this site or with others anytime.
 
I will not let this get me down. I may be ordering a female from you. This male is an F2 from you line. So a female from you from the same location will make sense. The femlae just spawned so I have to raise these guys out first.

bigguapote said:
my oh my.
I was given a heads to up this thread and I admit to not reading every entry. I haven't that much spare time or nor the interest to incorporate more drama into my day.
Reason I was asked to chime in was because of a question regarding sourcing of fish.

I can speak for myself that the fish in question, or any other fish I am offering for that matter, are not from the FL sources previously mentioned in thread. The one exception would be the few individuals of md Caquetaia kraussi in stock. They are likely FL bred.
If someone is claiming otherwise, they are misinformed or not being honest.

I specifically imported my wild Amphilophus stocks directly from Nicaragua a few years back. By doing so, pure stock was made available for those hobbyists interested in maintaining these species and I was able to secure pure wild breeding stock to work with. That's when and how the wild Nicaraguan specimens of sp. Isletas, xiloaensis, sagittae, zaliosus, citrinellus from both Lakes Managua and Nicaragua, labiatus, rostratus, longimanus, loisellei, nicaraguensis, maculicauda, nematopus, and dovii last entered the trade.

Keeping the collection/holding/export facility in Managua operating proved to be more costly than resulting sales could support. I am a biologist by education/training and a businessman by necessity it seems.
So maintaining that station as operable ended up being a temporary investment. As interesting as this was (scientifically speaking it was quite educating), not all investments prove to be profitable ones.
This endeavor was a follow up to the only other commercial wild Nicaraguan cichlid imports into the US in past 12 years. That being my previous exclusive US imports from the country back around 2001-2002 I believe.

And back to our regularly scheduled show - the one where this fellow MFK member was sharing his fish with others. The thread evolved so far from his post that I don't even see his name on this page.
Your male is very impressive. Not everyone loves the big nuchal hump. If you do, that's cool. That's the kind of fish that you just can't help stop and admire.
Great fish. Great work to keep it healthy and please don't let this sidetrack business ever prevent you from sharing photos and joy for the hobby at this site or with others anytime.
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I immensely enjoyed the great info on this thread!
 
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