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It can't be fixed once an for all. With the animosty (and stupidity) between Democrats and Republicans, they won't agree on a damn thing. They have two different agends in achieving the same goals. Continually making themselves look ridiculous. Dont' get me started on the bleeding heart liberals.

Laws already exist to penalize companies for hiring illegals. They either get caught and are slapped on the wrist, or nobody says anything and continue hiring undocumented workers.

As for your ID'ing idea. The ACLU would put the stops to any attempt of that sort. Rights to privacy and all that.
Not like it really matters, the government has all yor info, they got it when you monkeyed around with the blood pressure machine at Walmart.
 
By free money I mean they can get food stamps, medical and any other financial aid they need. Heres one for ya to figure out. My friends dad is a business owner, His mother is from Germany and his stepfather was from Mexico. When he first opened the business he wasnt doing so well financially, after years of struggling he stumbled across an idea and put it into play. When going to banks for loans he always used his given last name since his stepfather had passed away. Well, he turned things around by using his stepfathers last name wich was legal because his stepfather adopted him. He now can get almost any bank loan for his business because he now uses the last name, wait for it... wait for it... Hernadez!!!!! WTF is that all about????????????????? Ok, well this is the point where I calm down and no longer add to this thread, dont want to lose any friends cause everyone on here is very cool so I will settle down. Take care ya' all. See you in the pbass posts.:woot:
 
RyanS said:
You think it'shard to immigrate here? Have a look at Mexico's Immigration laws:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/13719.html
http://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/Mexicos_Immigration_Law.pdf

Ever wonder how illegal immigrants are treated in Mexico:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20060418-1004-mexico-mistreatingmigrants.html

Mass amnesty was tried before in 1986, as you can clearly see, it didn't work too well.

I'm in favor of sending them back. If you want to live here, do it legally.

As for your tax arguement. Shelters only work for those who get away with it. We have this new law, it's called the Alternative Minimum tax. It was created to stop the wealthy from paying little to no taxes at all.
While in may not seem like it, exporting jobs, is good for the economy in the long run. Simple supply and demand. What is being done, is the demand is being supplied at a much lower price. Which is good for you, me and everyone else. Including the economy.


The Conservative Voice and Rush oh god, not to far to one side are we now. Limbaugh is the ultimate right wing doushe bag! Next someone will post hot air from Hillary! I haven't said I was for illegal immagration? So if we hate the way Mexico treats immagrants bad we should as well? As far as I know, we as a country are better than that, and recogniize rights to be endowed equally upon all men (as in mankind) (not just Americans). You're right exporting jobs is better for the economy, just don't let those damned immagrants have them???? The Alternative Minimum Tax law is a joke, and if you don't think congress is bought and sold by companies paying little or no taxes then I'd say you're wrong. They get away with it all the time.

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One more point. I have two friends that have come here to the USA, not to collect wellfare, not to avoid taxes, not to take jobs from Americans, and not to freeload. Jesus is my closest friend from El Salvador, he came here because the government in his country is owned and operated by drug cartels, who do what they want when they want, stealing people's daughters for prostitution and to use as mules for drugs. The Guerillas recruit young boys as young as 9 or 10 to by force, fight in their militia. He came here years ago to avoid all of that, did he do it legally? No, would I have done the same? Yes. Another friend of mine named Farbod came here from Iran, to escape a government that is an opressive Theocracy, he had a legal channel, if he didn't and came here illegally would I blame him? Hell no.
 
Filthy Sanchez said:
The Conservative Voice and Rush oh god, not to far to one side are we now. Limbaugh is the ultimate right wing doushe bag! Next someone will post hot air from Hillary! I haven't said I was for illegal immagration? So if we hate the way Mexico treats immagrants bad we should as well? As far as I know, we as a country are better than that, and recogniize rights to be endowed equally upon all men (as in mankind) (not just Americans). You're right exporting jobs is better for the economy, just don't let those damned immagrants have them???? The Alternative Minimum Tax law is a joke, and if you don't think congress is bought and sold by companies paying little or no taxes then I'd say you're wrong. They get away with it all the time.


Nah, I'm not far to one side, as I agree with you. I happen to think Rush Limbaugh is a complete fool. However, it doesn't mean he doesn't have a valid point.
Where did I say you were for illegal immigration?
Where did I say we should treat illegals the way Mexico does? I was simply pointing out that while Mexico thinks helping thier citizens enter the US illegally is fine and dandy, they themselves refuse to put up with illegals entering their country. A bit hypocritical to me.

I didn't say those "damned illegal immigrants" can't have jobs. Our law, however, does say they can't have those jobs.
I have no problem whatsoever with immigrants, as long as they do it the right way. Giving amnesty to the millions of illegals is a slap in the face of those currently waiting to do it legally and the millions who have already done it. If we are going to hand out citizenship to anyone who shows up, why bother doing it properly?

The AMT is not a joke, as it's rasied millions. Do some companies still get away with paying very little taxes? Of course. The everyday Joe Schmoe does it just as often. How much money is lost because of people who fudge with their taxes for a better return? How many people didn't report an income they should have? How many people simply do not file taxes? How many people collect unemployment, yet don't need it? How many people sit on Welfare and don't need it? how many people are on disability but are fully able to work? Corporate America aren't the only thiefs in this country. Hell, i wouldn't be surprised if the total amount of money lost because of individuals rivals that of Corporate thiefs.

Th main reason I think they should be sent back, as that there is simply no other way to solve this problem. If you went by a one by one basis and considered all implications, it would take decades to starighten out who gets to stay and who doesn't. It would do nothing to solve the problem.
 
You make some valid points. And TankBuster I also think you make some valid points too…. Reading back I think we all agree on several points. The illegal immigration laws need to change. And illegal immigrates are people too. I talked to my father and bother about the topic, there response “ I can careless I’m not a illegal immigrate looking for a free ride”. I’m glad that the people here at MFK can have a reasonable conversation about a current events that will change some lives.
 
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