killing asian arowanas???

[channarox]

But still they wouldn't have the attractive colors

there are wild asian arowana populations that are red just like any RTG.
they just dont have those special attractive traits like blue base or whatever crap.
its still an asian arowana.

 

[pressure_cooker]

Simply because they haven't tried yet. Or haven't made anything public yet. Loads? I sincerely doubt most have more than 5. And these are normally kept in separate tanks! In fact, I've known hardly anyone here in the Philippines who have even tried a monster fish community besides King-El and my friend. As for the US zoo, it could possibly be that they simply don't have enough. Seriously, these all sound like random assumptions in the case of quantity of Asian Aros these places/people have.

Again, it is possible and the only thing in the way would be the amount of legal red tape and maintenance costs. Anyone who goes into such ventures should ALWAYS take those into account and that is exactly how the farms (Registered and unregistered) in SEA are able to keep up despite the costs and the supposed "difficulty". And even then, if the person in charge of the breeding facility sees that it's worthwhile, then he shouldn't mind the costs too much because he should've known what he was getting himself into.

Yes, an arowana is an arowana, no matter where it comes from.

you say that there are only 3 people in the philippines that has a community of arowanas? i think that is a false information. in metro manila there are alot of arowana owners who has an arowana community. even 1 arowana owner who has kept arowana for such a long period of time and he said that he never heard of someone has been succesful in breeding asian arowana in the philippines.

 

[pressure_cooker]

All I will say is "Supply and Demand." If people want it bad enough, they will be willing to pay. With a market, generated by a desire and the means to purchase, a business will rise to fill the gap. The prices would be high at first to diffuse the costs of R&D and initial setups, but with the introduction of competition, breeders gaining experience and maturing business models the prices would drop and fancy Asian Arowanas would be readily available at prices that wouldn't be much higher than the cost to produce them.

The same thing happened with Televisions, VCRs, DVD players, etc.

i think by the time you guys are successful in making a pair out of 35 arowanas, then the wild asian arowana numbers would be down to like 300. you can apply supply and demand or demand and supply, the asian arowana would be more endangered.

 

[AU_Arowana-RG]

you say that there are only 3 people in the philippines that has a community of arowanas? i think that is a false information. in metro manila there are alot of arowana owners who has an arowana community. even 1 arowana owner who has kept arowana for such a long period of time and he said that he never heard of someone has been succesful in breeding asian arowana in the philippines.

And exactly how many did he keep? Any exact figures?

The only difficulties I see in breeding any Aro/Channa is the fact that you have to have an established pair and that can only be done by letting the fish do it by themselves. Again, that will need quite the number of individuals. Also, I really don't know whether one could have pairs when there are other species of fish there. That or it becomes inherently difficult if you don't raise Aros together.

BTW, I apologize for the lack of info. But BTW, Aro communities normally don't house more than 12 fish at most in big aquariums. And I'm sure that the cramptness/the fact that these fish would come from different sources, would not be in favor of most Aros comms.

Also, you failed to specify which Aros these Filipinos are keeping. I can claim to have an Aro comm and have the stock list consist of 1 or 2 of each Arowana species from across the world.

Also, the sayings of 1 keeper doesn't exactly end everything. It simply hasn't been attempted yet. And even these rich Filipinos would probably only want to pay for a big aquarium/pond at most. Simply put, either no one has attempted or anyone who has may simply have just not released anything to public.

 

[channarox]

And exactly how many did he keep? Any exact figures?

The only difficulties I see in breeding any Aro/Channa is the fact that you have to have an established pair and that can only be done by letting the fish do it by themselves. Again, that will need quite the number of individuals. Also, I really don't know whether one could have pairs when there are other species of fish there. That or it becomes inherently difficult if you don't raise Aros together.

BTW, I apologize for the lack of info. But BTW, Aro communities normally don't house more than 12 fish at most in big aquariums. And I'm sure that the cramptness/the fact that these fish would come from different sources, would not be in favor of most Aros comms.

Also, you failed to specify which Aros these Filipinos are keeping. I can claim to have an Aro comm and have the stock list consist of 1 or 2 of each Arowana species from across the world.

Also, the sayings of 1 keeper doesn't exactly end everything. It simply hasn't been attempted yet. And even these rich Filipinos would probably only want to pay for a big aquarium/pond at most. Simply put, either no one has attempted or anyone who has may simply have just not released anything to public.

go on to arofanatics and see how many keep several aros together,,,

 

[pressure_cooker]

And exactly how many did he keep? Any exact figures?

The only difficulties I see in breeding any Aro/Channa is the fact that you have to have an established pair and that can only be done by letting the fish do it by themselves. Again, that will need quite the number of individuals. Also, I really don't know whether one could have pairs when there are other species of fish there. That or it becomes inherently difficult if you don't raise Aros together.

BTW, I apologize for the lack of info. But BTW, Aro communities normally don't house more than 12 fish at most in big aquariums. And I'm sure that the cramptness/the fact that these fish would come from different sources, would not be in favor of most Aros comms.

Also, you failed to specify which Aros these Filipinos are keeping. I can claim to have an Aro comm and have the stock list consist of 1 or 2 of each Arowana species from across the world.

Also, the sayings of 1 keeper doesn't exactly end everything. It simply hasn't been attempted yet. And even these rich Filipinos would probably only want to pay for a big aquarium/pond at most. Simply put, either no one has attempted or anyone who has may simply have just not released anything to public.

i have spoken to one of the popular Asian arowana shop in metro manila ( i am not going to say the name of the shop and name of the owner for his/her protection and privacy ) and he said for all of the years keeping asian arowana he said that no one has been successful to breed asian arowana. take note he is a importer of asian arowanas. and he is a keeper of asian arowana for like since he was a teenager. SA have been bred in the phils but, asian arowanas its different. i even saw his collections and it was beautiful and eye popping.. you said that you have a asian arowana community so why dont you show it then?

 

[ashleysomething]

i think by the time you guys are successful in making a pair out of 35 arowanas, then the wild asian arowana numbers would be down to like 300. you can apply supply and demand or demand and supply, the asian arowana would be more endangered.

The reason that they are endangered in the first place is that property rights haven't applied to them. "Tragedy of the commons."

Making something illegal just makes it more expensive and sought after; how many years have drugs been illegal? Do you think that drug use is down at all? Didn't think so.

 

[christ4paul]

thats freakin animal cruelty, they complain to people when we accidently kick dogs and cats and they are there killing an endangered fish. they should be executed.

 

[pressure_cooker]

The reason that they are endangered in the first place is that property rights haven't applied to them. "Tragedy of the commons."

Making something illegal just makes it more expensive and sought after; how many years have drugs been illegal? Do you think that drug use is down at all? Didn't think so.

they are endangered due to overfishing. wait for 40 years or more, maybe after that the number of wild asian arowanas are in a good status and the asian arowana farms have enough stock for your country

 

[sodenoshirayuki]

The reason that they are endangered in the first place is that property rights haven't applied to them. "Tragedy of the commons."

Making something illegal just makes it more expensive and sought after; how many years have drugs been illegal? Do you think that drug use is down at all? Didn't think so.

Making something banned does not neccesarily make things more expensive. If asian aros werent banned in the US it would be even MORE expensive than it is now becuase of the bigger demand for them. banning them from the US made them cost less except in US itself except i doubt anyone is willing to risk going to jail just to keep a few banned fish.
So are you suggesting they just lift the ban off drugs and let crackheads roam around free since theres still people smuggling it anyways?