killing asian arowanas???

[sodenoshirayuki]

To sodenshirayuki: If you think you can keep just about everything in Canada, wait til you see Asia. I heard something that some areas in Canada are illegalising snakeheads, BTW.

I really couldn't care less, once im done with business here, im moving back to Hong Kong. Anyways i dont even like snakeheads, so it wouldnt even affect me.

 

[sodenoshirayuki]

Simply because they haven't tried yet. Or haven't made anything public yet. Loads? I sincerely doubt most have more than 5. And these are normally kept in separate tanks! In fact, I've known hardly anyone here in the Philippines who have even tried a monster fish community besides King-El and my friend. As for the US zoo, it could possibly be that they simply don't have enough. Seriously, these all sound like random assumptions in the case of quantity of Asian Aros these places/people have.

Again, it is possible and the only thing in the way would be the amount of legal red tape and maintenance costs. Anyone who goes into such ventures should ALWAYS take those into account and that is exactly how the farms (Registered and unregistered) in SEA are able to keep up despite the costs and the supposed "difficulty". And even then, if the person in charge of the breeding facility sees that it's worthwhile, then he shouldn't mind the costs too much because he should've known what he was getting himself into.

Yes, an arowana is an arowana, no matter where it comes from.

Wait wait wait wait. even if it is possible to set up farms inside the US, whose going to do it? So what if they have zoos? are they willing to RISK buying loads of asian aros and TRY to breed them? Its true that any rich guy can do it but most "rich" american guys that i hear of dont give a damn about fish and all they do is show off their money by buying expensive stuff and sometimes donating to charity. For them, buying asian aros and starting a farm doesnt show their wealth, they couldnt care less about it. So again to the main question, which rich american out there is willing to give part of his wealth so that hobbyist can keep asian aros? And in my opinion, its true every arowana is an arowana no matter where it comes from, except some jsut look like crap...no offence.

 

[AU_Arowana-RG]

Only the ones/groups who actually think it's worthwhile or those who want them there. And there's still the legal red tape at the moment.

BTW, just curious, has anyone seriously moved from the US with keeping Asian Aros as a reason to move?

 

[abortedsoul]

We meaning fish keepers of a given area.

Fair enough; I still don't see that as sufficient reason to restrict someone's freedom, but again- tragedy of the commons.

This argument is terribly flawed. People are willing to pay for cocaine also.

You are correct that people are willing to pay for cocaine; that said, however, it still leaves your claim entirely unsupported. How does bringing yet another personal freedom unjustly restricted by the government prove a priori that my argument is flawed? If anything, it supports it. I hate cocaine, don't get me wrong. The thing is, just because I hate it doesn't mean that someone who wants to do it (with their own time, body and money) should be forbidden to do it. Why would you accept the government dictating what is or isn't allowed to be put in your own body? I wouldn't even mention it, but you brought it up.

I have already suggested writing a letter to the governor, president, or whoever. I was the one that said whining to a fish forum is pointless. That's how I suggest changing the government. And keeping endangered species of fish wasn't on the constitution last time I checked. If you want that right, then do something about it.

Again, I do. I vote, I write, and I share. Just as a point, shouldn't the rights of the individual come first? Sacrificing someone's right to property for the good of all sounds an awful lot like a very different form of government to me.

I did not mean to disrespect anything that you or any of our armed forces have done for this country. I have many friends and even family members that are or were members of the marines or other branges of the armed forces. I'm just so tired of people whining about America instead of doing something about it. By all means, write a letter to a person in charge.

I just wanted to be clear on how I felt when someone told me to get out of my own country; I just hold that respect (for those like the members of your family) as very important to me. I do write letters, among other things; for instance, I am part of a grass roots organization supporting the continued seat held in the house by a champion of personal freedom, Ron Paul. Writing letters isn't the only way to spread the word- talking rationally to other people, for instance, is a great way to express your opinion and start to change things for the better.

 

[abortedsoul]

Wait wait wait wait. even if it is possible to set up farms inside the US, whose going to do it?

All I will say is "Supply and Demand." If people want it bad enough, they will be willing to pay. With a market, generated by a desire and the means to purchase, a business will rise to fill the gap. The prices would be high at first to diffuse the costs of R&D and initial setups, but with the introduction of competition, breeders gaining experience and maturing business models the prices would drop and fancy Asian Arowanas would be readily available at prices that wouldn't be much higher than the cost to produce them.

The same thing happened with Televisions, VCRs, DVD players, etc.

 

[channarox]

any fish has good value that depends on the owner, even if its a violent piranha to a elegant asian arowana. the point is if its illegal we comply to the law, if it is legal we are happy with it. we dont wine if it is illegal.

exactly...
we dont whine about so many animals being illegal to keep here in singapore where you lucky guys in america can...

 

[channarox]

like already said...these things do not breed easily.
theyre probably harder to breed than AULs.
the reason why farms dont release them into the wild is because they only breed to make profit...most people dont even care about them being endangered in the wild.
all that really matters is the profit in the end.
if the US were to make them legal,there wouldnt be enough to go around.
the US is a BIG country.
and the maybe 100 or so farms in the world would never be able to produce enough to satisfy all you guys in the US who really want them just because they are "elegant".
im pretty sure the real reason many of you want them so much is because they are illegal.
how many of you actually want them because they are supposedly lucky and bring you wealth?
thats why most people here keep them.
i live in a country which has them in every single lfs and ive never liked them at all.
really,staring at them is extremely boring IMO.
there are PLENTY of fish which are much better to keep than asian aros.
dont whine about the fact you cant have them.
just leave it be and dont make a fuss that you cant have asian aros.
here in singapore we dont get most reptile species,piranhas,electric eels among other things.
we dont whine about anything.

 

[channarox]

Wait wait wait wait. even if it is possible to set up farms inside the US, whose going to do it? So what if they have zoos? are they willing to RISK buying loads of asian aros and TRY to breed them? Its true that any rich guy can do it but most "rich" american guys that i hear of dont give a damn about fish and all they do is show off their money by buying expensive stuff and sometimes donating to charity. For them, buying asian aros and starting a farm doesnt show their wealth, they couldnt care less about it. So again to the main question, which rich american out there is willing to give part of his wealth so that hobbyist can keep asian aros? And in my opinion, its true every arowana is an arowana no matter where it comes from, except some jsut look like crap...no offence.

i agree 100%.

 

[Ramesh]

not really. you cant blame the authorities. have you ever thought about blaming the people that are trying to smuggle these fish? i know, crazy thought. but think about it, if some greedy individual would not have been trying to smuggle illegal/endangered fish, they would have never been killed in the first place. they would be alive and happy in their country of origin...

Your right on the money there mate, in Australia the same thing happens to all illegal imports, big fine(hopefully), conviction(hopefully), confiscation and most often destruction of contraband.
I say "hopefully" because there must be an adequate deterant to this activity.
Some animals and other items do go on public display for educational purposes.

 

[channarox]

piranhas are toys compared to asian aros.

that means nothing...
everyone has their own cup of tea
there are definitely people who would take a piranha over an aro any day.