leaving the light on

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Do you drop temperatures in your tanks and cut feeding six months a year to stimulate winter for your fish? Do you think you should?
Yes, it is probably better to give your fish a more natural light cycle. It is also almost impossible unless you either have a dedicated fish room or a cabinet that you can close around the tank to block outside light.
The only outcome that I can see gaining from this thread is from the articles Drstrangelove Drstrangelove posted that show that some fish do something similar to human sleep, and that it varies according to species, and a bunch of other factors, and that even human sleep is very poorly understood.
I understand that you have very high standards for the quality of life of the fish you keep, and I understand that without knowing any better the best you can do is imitate the fish's natural environment as closely as possible, but I feel that in this case there is no reason to say that for a given fish lack of a proper daily cycle will effect it in any quantitative way.
I don't have a natural sleep cycle, so why should I let my fish have one? :)

Most of us keep tropical fish. Those fish do not experience the extremes of hot/cold that temperate species do. Instead, they commonly experience wet/dry seasons. I suspect that this dynamic is why we see breeding activity after water changes. Big shifts in water chemistry could be a evolutionarily co-opted signal that the wet season has arrived and it would therefore be advantageous for a species to reproduce at that time. For temperate species, the reproductive cue is often light (photo-period and angle of light), but it's not outside of the realm of possibility it would be temperature regime.

With respect to the more general question posed by this thread, whether how you are keeping your fish is "ok" for your fish, I think it's a pretty easy litmus test. Simply ask, would my fish experience the conditions found in my tank in the wild? If the answer is no, the answer to the more general question becomes obvious.
 
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1413-70542014000200008

We conclude that light plays an important role in the growth, behavior and welfare of female Lambari. Besides, our data highlighted that fish submitted to a long light period present a more stressed and more aggressive status when compared to fish submitted to a continuous darkness.


http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2109.2009.02321.x/abstract

The highest survival rate (89%) was observed in the 12L:12D period in which the levels of lactate and cortisol as stress indicators were minimal. The results indicate that various photoperiods cause different stress levels in juvenile great sturgeon and have no significant effects on growth, at least in short time periods.

I suspect that I could go on and on posting studies that have reached the exact same conclusion as the ones above for the rest of the night. Oh, and young-blood, I have been tone deaf for years.
 
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http://www.scielo.br/pdf/zool/v30n2/a01v30n2

The effect of increased light intensity on the aggressive behavior of the Nile tilapia, Oreochromis niloticus (Teleostei: Cichlidae)

ABSTRACT. Animals show behavioral and physiological changes that emerge in response to environmental perturbations (i.e., emergency life-history stages). In this study, we investigate the effects of light intensity on aggressive encounters and social stability in groups of adult male Nile tilapia, Oreochromis niloticus (Linnaeus, 1758). The study compared the behavior observed under low (280.75 ± 50.60 lx) and high (1394.14 ± 520.32 lx) light intensities, with 12 replicates for each treatment. Adult fish were isolated in 36-L aquaria for 96 hours, and three males were grouped for 11 days in 140-L aquaria. Agonistic behavior was video-recorded (10 min/day) on the 3rd, 5th, 7th, and 9th day to quantify aggressive interactions and social stability. There was an effect of light intensity and day of observation on the total number of agonistic behaviors performed by the fish group. Besides, increased frequency of aggressive interactions (the sum of the four sessions) by the alpha, beta and gamma fish occurred at the higher light intensity. The dominance ranks of the fish remained unchanged across the observation sessions under both the low and high light intensities. We concluded that enhanced light intensity has a cumulative effect that increases the aggressiveness of the Nile tilapia but that this effect is not sufficiently strong to destabilize the social hierarchy.



Again, anyone that has spent any time observing fish in nature, or in an aquarium, understand why uber bright lights are not generally healthy for most fish.

Light is important to fish, not enough light, too much light, too bright of light, all play a role in the stress levels and overall physiological well being of fish.
 
Again, anyone that has spent any time observing fish in nature, or in an aquarium, understand why uber bright lights are not generally healthy for most fish.

Light is important to fish, not enough light, too much light, too bright of light, all play a role in the stress levels and overall physiological well being of fish.
I can personally attest to this, as every fish i have ever kept (except goldfish) has hidden if there was too much light. In general, fish like it dim, and plants like it bright, so you get a tradeoff there. However, this thread is about photoperiod, not light intensity.
 
Light is important to fish, not enough light, too much light, too bright of light, all play a role in the stress levels and overall physiological well being of fish.


Keep reading that until it sinks in.
 
Below are some different studies I found finally (took some digging.) I would encourage others to examine these and reach their own conclusions if they find them interesting.

My one take was that it's fairly inconclusive as far as photo period length is concerned. It seems species specific and age specific. Darkness is sometimes best, while the difference between mixed lighting (natural) versus full lighting is fairly inconclusive across many studies. In one article, it was found that suddenly turning on lights can actually cause mortality in eggs or fry. So, age specific effects.

One thing that was new to me is not that turning on lights suddenly is stressful. But that it's stressful because fish's eyes take a long time to adjust to light. Some take up to 30 minutes, so slow gradual increases in light are much preferred.

Given 3 different photoperiods (24 hours light, 24 hours dark, & 14 hours dark followed by 10 hours light) found that the best growth rate for Colossoma macropomum is complete darkness (P < .05)
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0044-59672006000300015&lng=en&tlng=en


Given 3 different photoperiods (24 hours light, 24 hours dark, & 12 hours dark followed by 12 hours light) found that Oreochromis nilocticus die significantly higher in the dark (P < .05), while Clarias Gariepinus was significantly higher in the light (P < .05).
http://journals.tubitak.gov.tr/zoology/issues/zoo-14-38-4/zoo-38-4-9-1309-23.pdf


"Low mortality has also been observed in several species cultured under natural photoperiods (Kiyono and Hirano, 1981; Tuckey and Smith, 2001, Canavate et al., 2006)" while in "some other experiments on fish mortality and photoperiod treatments, Aride et al. (2006), Sampaio et al. (2009), Alvarez-Rosario et al. (2009), and Faramorzi et al. (2011) found very insignificant or no mortality in fish species cultured under different photoperiods."
http://journals.tubitak.gov.tr/zoology/issues/zoo-14-38-4/zoo-38-4-9-1309-23.pdf


Below many more articles that are of interest if one wants to look at the actual issue of how fish see light and how stress can be caused by how we use light around fish.

http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/...s/lighting-how-affects-freshwater-fish-81982/
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2007/1/aafeature2
http://www.tfhmagazine.com/details/articles/aquarium-lighting.htm
 
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I'm not sure why this is controversial............................. seems pretty obvious, right?
 
How many forum posts does it take to change a light(bulb)?
 
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