Let the Cats out or Keep them in?

[HarleyK]

Educate yourself a bit before making such retarded statements.

I'm sorry that you have to resort to that kind of argumentation...

Farm cats have roamed free in Europe for centuries. I am not aware of a single species in let's say Germany that was impacted by cats. The impact on wildlife, if any, is far outweight by an increase in human population. Don't blame the cats. Blame human development.

'nuff said.
HarleyK

 

[drgnfly829]

LOL oh and another thing don't most people here keep their fish in tanks?
sheesh if your gonna have a pet take care of it
farm cats are a different situation they basically are there to catch mice. cheap pest controll so to speak but they do not have that high a quality of life
they are not pets
just because things have "always been done that way,"
doesn't mean it's the best way.

 

[Freeze_Dried_Bloodworm]

My neighbour threw my sand cat away somewhere cause she once escaped from our yard and into his... he knew it was my cat and she had her collar on

That a****** regrets it now cause my dogs don't like his kids...

 

[ozz465]

Cats must roam free. It has always been that way. They cause no harm. Heck, birds poop on your car and you don't trap them. Furthermore, cats cause no danger in any way, shape or form, as opposed to stray dogs.

My cat for sure roams free, and anyone who catches it will be in big trouble. Not with the law, but with me.

HarleyK

U must understand that a lot of people dont want URE animals on there property . If i saw ure cats on my land id trap them and give them to the spca .They may seem harmless to u but they crap on people yards and theres a difference between ure a wild bird and somewhones pet whos owner lets them roam free.I have a small kitten in my house and hes taken care of and not allowed to go to anyones yard cept our own suppervised.God i hate cats.

 

[sandtiger]

I'm sorry that you have to resort to that kind of argumentation...

Farm cats have roamed free in Europe for centuries. I am not aware of a single species in let's say Germany that was impacted by cats. The impact on wildlife, if any, is far outweight by an increase in human population. Don't blame the cats. Blame human development.

'nuff said.
HarleyK

Human development is the worst but that does not give cats a get out of jail free card, Two wrongs don't make a right. Germany has it's share of endangered species and I'm sure that on occasion a cat kills a few members of the already small population. You want a good example of cats impacting the environment? Look at New Zealand...an island devoid of mammal life (except bats). Many birds over there are flightless, they didn't need to fly because they had no predators. Humans move over to the country, bring cats with them. Now cats are a serious problem, killing off tons of flightless birds and reptiles. Many of those birds are now extinct. I'm not blaming cats, they are only doing what comes naturally to them, I blame the humans fully...humans like you who think cats NEED to be outside.

 

[HarleyK]

Look at New Zealand...an island devoid of mammal life (except bats).

Good point.
That is exactly what I wanted to point out with my statement about racoons. In most inhabited areas, free-roaming cats fill in the ecological niche that other similar predators already inhabit. A few cats do not significantly increase the impact that existing predatory wildlife already has. They basically do what a few more racoons, owls, possums, foxes, you name it would do. Since wildlife populations naturally fluctuate, the comparatively small increase in predators does not matter. Furthermore, pet cats do not fully live off wildlife. After all, they get fed at home. What they kill for play is a negligible fraction compared to what a single racoon, fox etc would kill for food per day.

Different story in areas without those predators, such as the example you mentioned . If I ever move to New Zealand I will think of you

But at least in Europe and Northern America, above mentioned predatory network already exists, so that cats do not significantly shift the biological equilibrium.

You know what, I think this would be a great topic for Del's assay What a funny discussion on a fish board

HarleyK

 

[sxcsamman]

KEEP THEM INDOORS!!!!!!
everyone has a cry if you let your dog out but if its a cat theres no probolms. i hate cats as i keep birds in cages outside and the cats jumped on to the cages and scared the **** out of my birds, killing a lot of them. i also had rabbits out side in a fenced off area the stupid cats managed to get in and killed 5 of my rabbits and where continually harassing my fihs in my ponds. so i got angry and got a heap off traps and set them around the place and caought myself a cat i also added big rat traps onto of my avaires so when the cats go up there SNAP there leg is cought. i wouldnt harm the cats there death was painless for them i just stuck them in a barrel of water and put the lid on it for a few days then i emptyed it and WOLA another cat gone, i dont have any cat probolms anymore

 

[DeLgAdO]

Good point.
That is exactly what I wanted to point out with my statement about racoons. In most inhabited areas, free-roaming cats fill in the ecological niche that other similar predators already inhabit. A few cats do not significantly increase the impact that existing predatory wildlife already has. They basically do what a few more racoons, owls, possums, foxes, you name it would do. Since wildlife populations naturally fluctuate, the comparatively small increase in predators does not matter. Furthermore, pet cats do not fully live off wildlife. After all, they get fed at home. What they kill for play is a negligible fraction compared to what a single racoon, fox etc would kill for food per day.

Different story in areas without those predators, such as the example you mentioned . If I ever move to New Zealand I will think of you

But at least in Europe and Northern America, above mentioned predatory network already exists, so that cats do not significantly shift the biological equilibrium.

You know what, I think this would be a great topic for Del's assay What a funny discussion on a fish board

HarleyK

i have made that my topic

 

[rocsorcs]

Educate yourself a bit before making such retarded statements. For starters, last I checked, racoons are native here. They have an established role and place in this country. Second, not all of us live in suburbia, some of us live in the country like myself where cats are VERY common. Rednecks hord them and farmers have them all over the place. I have never seen a racoon leap in the air and grab a bird, or jump through the grass after a rodent. I would hate to see my cat bring back a tiger salamander, cricket frog, spruce grouse, Allegheny woodrat, Indiana bat, fence lizard, sedge wren or anyother animal endangered or threatened in my area (I live in NY, so do all those animals).

On the flip side, I love cats. I hate seeing them dead in the road, shot by some redneck or sick with upper respitory infection in the middle of winter. If kept indoors these problems can be avoided.



Hateing anything, especially an animal is such a waste of time and emotion.

Nobody said I "hate" cats, and by the way, they stink. People who leave litter boxes in their houses for those animals to use, get used to it, I guess. I am pretty sure we won't ever meet each other to discuss it further, but MY opinion is that they are nasty little creatures. Maybe that is why I decided to keep fish in a glass box instead of letting a cat run through the house peeing on stuff, which isn't an opinion, I have several friends that have felines in their houses, and have personally experienced it.

 

[DeLgAdO]

Nobody said I "hate" cats, and by the way, they stink. People who leave litter boxes in their houses for those animals to use, get used to it, I guess. I am pretty sure we won't ever meet each other to discuss it further, but MY opinion is that they are nasty little creatures. Maybe that is why I decided to keep fish in a glass box instead of letting a cat run through the house peeing on stuff, which isn't an opinion, I have several friends that have felines in their houses, and have personally experienced it.

neither of my cats do that

his are not neutered or spayed