Let's ban fishkeeping!

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Typical of people who lost sight of their original purpose but is trying twice as hard to get there. I draw the line when they try to influence school kids concerning eating meat.


Although using cyanide is a way to collect fish, unfortunately.
 
I'm sure those neon colored 5 gallon tanks make up for a nice chunk of the aquarium industry.

I want one though I wanna have a little betta and then strap a AC 20 on it and stick it on a shelf lol :)




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Yeah. Poor little 1" fish in a my 48" tank. They haveno predators and theyre food is just given to them.
 
Ive hated PETA for long time. A few years i back in my area a peta rep went to local vet hospitols asking to take and home dogs and cats that were homeless. They were caught less.than a week later illegally disposing of the animalsthey " rescued" in a dumpster all of which they put down. Then the head rep for peta defended their actions. I have nothing but hate for them.

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Are you talking about the case where two peta reps (male & female) got a bunch of young cats and dogs that they euthanized in the back of their van and dumped in a dumpster? I remember that case. A lot of people raised hell about it but peta defended them..

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I'd never really read PETA's website before clicking the link...but in light of their overall position on keeping animals, their position on care of tropical fish seems pretty consistent with their overall position on people keeping animals for entertainment.

In a nutshell, they are against animal cruelty. It is inevitable that a certain portion of animals kept as pets will be treated with cruelty or die. That portion in our hobby, unfortunately, happens to be really high (especially in the case of goldfish, bettas, wild-caught saltwater fish and others). Having a fish hobby inherently results in fish death and cruelty. For every conscientious, responsible hobbyist, there are some (larger) number of irresponsible ones. Same with fish collectors, wholesalers, retailers, etc.

That's why it appears that they're against it.

In my perspective, the best (and most constructive) approach to countering this argument is to promote responsible fishkeeping in the hobby: people who collect fish for the pet trade, people who sell fish (retailers) and people who keep fish.

That a small fraction of people who keep fish give a darn about their welfare isn't enough...

Attacking PETA, its motives, other organizations, anyone who opposes animal cruelty, etc. just really isn't useful or constructive.

Matt

+1 agree completley. As much as I despise their methods they actually do something. Education is the key.

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HMMMMMMM.... so it's 3 gallons of water per 1 inch of fish???

So an adult arowana in a 90 gallon tank??? SWEEEEET!
 
I'd never really read PETA's website before clicking the link...but in light of their overall position on keeping animals, their position on care of tropical fish seems pretty consistent with their overall position on people keeping animals for entertainment.

In a nutshell, they are against animal cruelty. It is inevitable that a certain portion of animals kept as pets will be treated with cruelty or die. That portion in our hobby, unfortunately, happens to be really high (especially in the case of goldfish, bettas, wild-caught saltwater fish and others). Having a fish hobby inherently results in fish death and cruelty. For every conscientious, responsible hobbyist, there are some (larger) number of irresponsible ones. Same with fish collectors, wholesalers, retailers, etc.

That's why it appears that they're against it.

In my perspective, the best (and most constructive) approach to countering this argument is to promote responsible fishkeeping in the hobby: people who collect fish for the pet trade, people who sell fish (retailers) and people who keep fish.

That a small fraction of people who keep fish give a darn about their welfare isn't enough...

Attacking PETA, its motives, other organizations, anyone who opposes animal cruelty, etc. just really isn't useful or constructive.

Matt

+1111111

Thank you Matt, for those words of wisdom. :)
 
Petas motives are to end all use of animals this hobby included. They called for the elimination of all domesticated animals. I see no good intentions
 
Seems logical.


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They said "One general guideline is that you should provide 3 gallons of water for every 1 inch of fish"

Note the word general, it's not saying for every fish. Most beginner fish keepers don't look into arowana, the main one to worry about is an oscar, but for the average petsmart/petco fish that are under 5" or so, that is a good guide line. Especially since a person won't just have one fish usually when they start out. Using that rule, people would have understocked tanks. Which while there are always exceptions, just like aqadvisor is good for beginners, I think that would be a good guideline to follow for people starting out.

I just read that link about fish earlier today oddly enough, and excluding the

  • If a fish seems sick or lethargic, take him or her to a vet. Fish can be medicated, anesthetized, given shots, and operated on, just like other animals. Take along a separate sample of the tank water.
  • Most fish enjoy companionship. If you have a single fish, check with friends and neighbors to find another loner to adopt—but don't support the fish trade by going to a dealer."

Since taking the average fish to a vet would only stress them out more, and I'm sure the vet would be perplexed as well (except for the goldfish/koi and larger fish vets) and well, the second part is a species bases as you have to look into schooling, gender, water params, etc.

If you think about it though, the number of bettas and goldfsh, who have horrible lives far outweighs the ones who receive proper care.

As for the whole "peta kills" stuff, has anyone looked into what dogs they take in and euthanize? They are dogs that are in such sickening and horrific shape, they have pictures online if you want to see. http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2009/03/30/why-we-euthanize.aspx The ones that they can adopt out, they send to other shelters from what I've read.

Referring to pets: "We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as "surplus."
This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. They are restricted to human homes, where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.


Because domesticated animals retain many of their basic instincts and drives but are not able to survive on their own in the wild, dogs, cats, or birds, whose strongest desire is to be free, must be confined to houses, yards, or cages for their own safety.
This is a best-case scenario. Millions of dogs spend their lives outdoors on heavy chains in all weather extremes or are kept locked up in tiny chain-link pens from which they can only watch the world go by. Millions more are confined to filthy wire cages in puppy mills, forced to churn out litter after litter until they wear out, at which time they are killed or dumped at the local animal shelter. Even in "good" homes, cats must relieve themselves in dirty litterboxes and often have the tips of their toes amputated through declawing. Dogs often have to drink water that has been sitting around for days, are hurried along on their walks, if they even get walked, and are yelled at to get off the furniture or be quiet.
Most compassionate people never imagine that anyone could throw a litter of kittens out the window of a moving car, and they would certainly be shocked by PETA's inches-thick files on cases of dogs and cats who have been shot with arrows, blown up with firecrackers, doused in gasoline and set on fire, cooked in microwave ovens, used as bait in dogfights, tortured in satanic rituals, beaten with baseball bats by bored kids, dragged behind cars to "teach them a lesson" for running away, or bound in duct tape to silence their barking. Abuses such as these occur every day.

(And they do, there are so many stories popping up on the internet about the horrific abuse/torture of animals)

Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and "set them free." What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren't home) from pounds or animal shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.
 
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