Let's ban fishkeeping!

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It's a shame there's soo many bad pets owners but I think there's alot more wonderful pet owners out there and I hope one day with all good in the world that we could put an end to all the horrible things bad people do.It probably won't happen but I choose to believe if we all do our part when we see something that's not right to speak up instead of walking away and forgetting about it we'll make things better for those who speak and ask for help.No need to go overboard about it but even small simple things can add up and make things a little better everytime.
Just my opinion.

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dani_starr said:
They said "One general guideline is that you should provide 3 gallons of water for every 1 inch of fish"

Note the word general, it's not saying for every fish. Most beginner fish keepers don't look into arowana, the main one to worry about is an oscar, but for the average petsmart/petco fish that are under 5" or so, that is a good guide line. Especially since a person won't just have one fish usually when they start out. Using that rule, people would have understocked tanks. Which while there are always exceptions, just like aqadvisor is good for beginners, I think that would be a good guideline to follow for people starting out.

I just read that link about fish earlier today oddly enough, and excluding the

  • If a fish seems sick or lethargic, take him or her to a vet. Fish can be medicated, anesthetized, given shots, and operated on, just like other animals. Take along a separate sample of the tank water.
  • Most fish enjoy companionship. If you have a single fish, check with friends and neighbors to find another loner to adopt—but don't support the fish trade by going to a dealer."

Since taking the average fish to a vet would only stress them out more, and I'm sure the vet would be perplexed as well (except for the goldfish/koi and larger fish vets) and well, the second part is a species bases as you have to look into schooling, gender, water params, etc.

If you think about it though, the number of bettas and goldfsh, who have horrible lives far outweighs the ones who receive proper care.

As for the whole "peta kills" stuff, has anyone looked into what dogs they take in and euthanize? They are dogs that are in such sickening and horrific shape, they have pictures online if you want to see. http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/2009/03/30/why-we-euthanize.aspx The ones that they can adopt out, they send to other shelters from what I've read.

Referring to pets: "We at PETA very much love the animal companions who share our homes, but we believe that it would have been in the animals' best interests if the institution of "pet keeping"—i.e., breeding animals to be kept and regarded as "pets"—never existed. The international pastime of domesticating animals has created an overpopulation crisis; as a result, millions of unwanted animals are destroyed every year as "surplus."
This selfish desire to possess animals and receive love from them causes immeasurable suffering, which results from manipulating their breeding, selling or giving them away casually, and depriving them of the opportunity to engage in their natural behavior. They are restricted to human homes, where they must obey commands and can only eat, drink, and even urinate when humans allow them to.


Because domesticated animals retain many of their basic instincts and drives but are not able to survive on their own in the wild, dogs, cats, or birds, whose strongest desire is to be free, must be confined to houses, yards, or cages for their own safety.
This is a best-case scenario. Millions of dogs spend their lives outdoors on heavy chains in all weather extremes or are kept locked up in tiny chain-link pens from which they can only watch the world go by. Millions more are confined to filthy wire cages in puppy mills, forced to churn out litter after litter until they wear out, at which time they are killed or dumped at the local animal shelter. Even in "good" homes, cats must relieve themselves in dirty litterboxes and often have the tips of their toes amputated through declawing. Dogs often have to drink water that has been sitting around for days, are hurried along on their walks, if they even get walked, and are yelled at to get off the furniture or be quiet.
Most compassionate people never imagine that anyone could throw a litter of kittens out the window of a moving car, and they would certainly be shocked by PETA's inches-thick files on cases of dogs and cats who have been shot with arrows, blown up with firecrackers, doused in gasoline and set on fire, cooked in microwave ovens, used as bait in dogfights, tortured in satanic rituals, beaten with baseball bats by bored kids, dragged behind cars to "teach them a lesson" for running away, or bound in duct tape to silence their barking. Abuses such as these occur every day.

(And they do, there are so many stories popping up on the internet about the horrific abuse/torture of animals)

Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and "set them free." What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren't home) from pounds or animal shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.
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They have a very difficult job to face everyday and thats exactly why I don't bash them. I don't agree with thier methods but know they do good work. They rescue hundreds of animals a year and change peoples minds everyday. They force people to look at the problems they are creating and not ignore them. The majority of the animals they do take in are the worst cases but they do still take in healthy adoptable animals and do euthanize them. Ingrid has stated this herself. This occurs in every shelter in America though but is not openly talked about.
 
dani_starr said:
They said "One general guideline is that you should provide 3 gallons of water for every 1 inch of fish"....etc, etc...
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Sounds like PETA has you brainwashed pretty well.
Guess what? There is NOTHING wrong with getting a dog from a responsible breeder. If I wanted any old dog, I would go get from a shelter/rescue. No. I want a dog that I know is well bred and genetically health tested.
Want to know what would happen if people stopped buying from responsible breeders? All we would have left is unhealthy mutts with no real purpose or specific breed traits.
I love Border Collies because they're beautiful, the smartest breed out there, have intense working desire, and live to please me. And when I want the best of the best of these beautiful dogs, I'm going to buy one from a working breeder. End of story.
Sounds like PETA has already taken hold of you, unfortunately when someone is so into the organization that they take all their "facts" from the hypocritical website itself, there's really no hope for them. That's about the point when people refuse to let go of their views and see the other side of things.



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kissofcrimson said:
This occurs in every shelter in America though but is not openly talked about.
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In a responsible shelter, animals are not just thrown in the dumpster like they are at PETA.
In shelters, animals will be put to sleep before adoption because of;

-aggression
-breed specific legislation
-or unadoptable due to any other circumstances. Even in this case, it is where rescues come in to play. The rescue I work with often takes the dogs that would otherwise have been euthanized because they are shutting down in shelters.

Most dogs are given at LEAST a few days to have a chance at being adopted in shelters, so long as they're adoptable.
PETA on the other hand does not even offer most of their dogs up for adoption. They take them in, and then euthanize them. Countless sources can tell you this. I've heard it from people first hand.


Anyone who supports PETA needs to step back and take a look at them. They may do some good but they do WAY more harm than good.


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kissofcrimson said:
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They have a very difficult job to face everyday and thats exactly why I don't bash them. I don't agree with thier methods but know they do good work. They rescue hundreds of animals a year and change peoples minds everyday. They force people to look at the problems they are creating and not ignore them. The majority of the animals they do take in are the worst cases but they do still take in healthy adoptable animals and do euthanize them. Ingrid has stated this herself. This occurs in every shelter in America though but is not openly talked about.
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The difference is peta makes alot of money and has the money to care for these animals unlike your local animal shelter, they just choose not to and to rather fund more propaganda and support alf
 
BCherdingthefish said:
In a responsible shelter, animals are not just thrown in the dumpster like they are at PETA.
In shelters, animals will be put to sleep before adoption because of;

-aggression
-breed specific legislation
-or unadoptable due to any other circumstances. Even in this case, it is where rescues come in to play. The rescue I work with often takes the dogs that would otherwise have been euthanized because they are shutting down in shelters.

Most dogs are given at LEAST a few days to have a chance at being adopted in shelters, so long as they're adoptable.
PETA on the other hand does not even offer most of their dogs up for adoption. They take them in, and then euthanize them. Countless sources can tell you this. I've heard it from people first hand.


Anyone who supports PETA needs to step back and take a look at them. They may do some good but they do WAY more harm than good.


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Like I said, I don't like PETA, but commend the work they do for severely neglected animals. I have never been for them and never will be.

Not always. Some shelters will euthanize to make more "room", so they don't have to take care of said animals. They shelters take in countless animals a day and just euthanize them for any reason at all. If you don't believe me' seriously take a look at NYC's animal control and I could name countless others that have allegations against them. I network cats from them all the time and any animal that catches the common cold is put on death row, kittens, puppies, doesn't matter. They don't care. This has happened at my local shelter in Cumberland, where they also tried to put bsl on the local animal shelter but everyone raised a big enough riot for them to draw back that offer. An animal shouldn't be killed because the media portrays it as evil or dangerous. But as you said, yes, they kill everything. Exactly why I don't like them. They kill everything they get, thinking death is better then finding a home. Ingrid's philosophy is that by euthanizing the animal she is saving it from potential cruelty and neglect, which is very paranoid sounding to me and someone that should not be in the power of position she's in.

I agree that PETA does a lot of harm and the good does not outweigh it. PETA could be a great org if it wasn't run by Ingrid and could influence a lot of positive for animals..

@ rgonzales: I agree. They make a lot of money saying they save animals yet euthanize them and decieve the public. They state thier mission clearly though and if anyone ever were to look into them would know what their core mission is, to end the use of all animals. They don't hide that fact but parade it around.
 
I still consider them terrorist in every sense of the word! Funny reads though, actually my grandfather use to have killer tanks, and he once did surgery on one of his fish! (Hes a dentist though, so he has a medical and surgical background kinda, I probably wouldn't suggest the average guy to do without doing A LOT of research)
 
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